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And we disaggre with you, thx bye.

Part of customisation requests is to be able to tailor an interface into particular workflows.

I like my workflows with less windows, like how I like web browsing with tabs and not an ungodly number of windows like the bad old days of IE6. *shudders*

Also, note I said requirement. I disagree with the requirement of, not the existence or implementation of multiple windows for file/inventory management.

What is wrong with being able to do tasks with less windows? I think it is perfectly valid to want to be able to do something with just a single window versus 2 or more. For some things, it would be quicker if all it took was a single window. If you want multiple windows, that is just fine too. Customisation and all.

Also, nothing wrong with giving feedback in a feedback thread "thx bye"

Did you often drag items around from one browser window to the other?

The inventory UI is more akin to an OS UI, not a browser UI. Navigating OSX or Windows without being able to open multiple windows is just about the most ridiculous thing I could ever imagine.

The new UI is, overall, nice. It has HUGE basic functionality problems, however, when you compare it to the current one.

• Much larger window size.
• Shift-click is not intuitive like double-click.
• You can't have separate "docked" windows that are always there when you dock up.
• A whole mess of in-flight inconveniences.

Do NOT change an interface unless you can replicate the basic functionality of the old one.

Same thing as far as the requirement goes — there's a reason why tools like Norton/Total/Midnight Commander and PathFinder were invented: because trying to managed files in a single location view is hugely inefficient. Multiple panes still creates the problem that you're locked into a pre-determined layout, and that's not very good either. It's better, yes, but still limiting, because then you have to fiddle around with the window each time you want a new pane, rather than just have that third (or fourth, or n:th) window automagically appear where it always does.

…and that's exactly what the new system enforces, and which the old one didn't. In the old one, you set up a number of windows or stacks of windows, and then you let them be. They would take care of themselves and everything would open in the right spot. With the new one, all of that is gone — any time you open something new, you will have to reposition and resize it, because everything assumes it's the single unified inventory window (and god forbid you accidentally double click anything, because then all those windows will assume that they should do something — they are all the single unified window, after all), and the whole thing resets. Back to managing all those windows.

Pretty much everything when it removes the ability to do so with more windows, thus reducing the efficiency of the very task the window is meant to do by… oh… 80% (completely random number).

Also, you can already do everything in a single window on TQ, today, if you so choose. The only improvement this new system offers in that regard is that you don't have to manually stack all the item windows into a big pile of tabs (and even then, most of them are actually already assigned to the same window stack by default), because they're already all in there through the tree view. That's a very small amount of manual labour that has been removed at the cost of a whole lot of efficiency and customisability.

Just chiming in that I am not a fan of the new UI changes. I can totally see what they are trying to do, but its a very frustrating system at the moment. Its a huge pain in the ass in its current form and needs some more work/refinement.

Putting in my 0.02 isk on this as well.
New system does have some useful items like being able to tell what items are approximately worth. But that's going to be a Pain in the Bandwidth when I have a LOT of stuff and eve wants to do a price-check on each item every time I open the cargo window. Would be better to just have a "totals" button that I can press as-needed.

Overall it's a bad idea to put EVERYTHING in one window. Yes I realize that I can Shift+Click to get separate windows so I can drag/drop stuff as needed from window to window, but isn't that just adding a layer of BS to get BACK TO the original function?

Ran a L3 mission, whoosh! Bang! <3 the Missiles. But clean up was a bit messy because as I hit the "Loot All" button the window swaps back to "ship cargo" .... back and forth swapping got a bit annoying. The way it works on live where you can just leave your inventory closed and click the Loot All and it goes away is Very Preferable.

Gimme back my "Hanger", "Corp Hanger" and "Ships" buttons

I don't know about you guys but I dont want more than one window of any kind open at any time.

Everyone talking about multiple windows - you know that shift clicking opens up a new window right?

After my fairly lengthy complaint a couple pages back I feel I should paste a follow-up based on the changes from Wednesday. The system is a lot better than what it was when I first wrote, enough so that I think it won’t cause a riot, but people are still going to be unhappy:

-The in-space vs in-station concerns have been addressed quite a bit if you haven’t looked yet. I will be testing more tonight. Your ‘items’ window remembers a different size when you go in to space. Does double-clicking a window option open a new window (in addition to the ‘shift+click’?) If not can that be an option?

-Wrecks can now be ‘shift-clicked’ out to a window like before, but once empty they revert to a cargo screen. So long as you do not close that cargo screen the next wreck will convert so that you can loot it (similar to the old system at least). This is better, but I would still like the ability to have it remember that function for wrecks/cans for looting rather than having to set it up each salvaging run. It is tolerable for now, but refinement would be nice.

-Your ship cargo bay is now consistent in space, regardless of ship type. This is better than what we had last week, but still a slight departure from the old system. I only mention this because the placement of my cargo bay for a combat ship is different than my placement for a mining or cargo ship. It is a personal issue, and the current way is functional, but I would like to see a position retention for each ship class in much the same way that each ship class can remember its preferred orbital distance.

-Orca. Much along the same vein as the paragraph above, I would like to see a position retention ability for the various bays in the Orca.

Yes and I have tried it, but I still have to open the ‘Inventory’ first to get the single windows open, and that thing takes up real estate I don’t want to give up until it is closed.

Also when I close windows they don’t remember where they were, so I open my Orca Ore Bay and the Drone Bay, close them both and the Ore Bay re-opens where the Drone bay was and the Drone bay opens cascaded at the same location.