EVE General Discussion

So you want to make 0.0 more painful to live in? so everyone goes back to highsec and carebears with you as you mine. go away.

How ******** are you? TEST doesn't give turd about dropping a 100 man blob on some noname carebear in high/lowsec.

Oh, the tears.

So what you are saying is you want it to take 3-4 hours for a fleet to travel through nullsec, each way.

And what makes you think this will create more fights? And fights would be shorter since reinforcements would take hours as well, there'd be no point.

When we cross the galaxy quickly it is because it was setup days, if not weeks, in advance. Each jump calculated in advance, someone flew to each location to setup a safe POS and get a cyno going.

Impromptu hot drops need to be in a very short range, depending on what you are hot dropping. A standard fleet needs a titan bridge (so 60b and a lot of training) and has the range of about a region. A carrier can skip over a region (so ~1.5b and over a year of training). Both of these assume good skills. Black ops hotdrops have limited range as well.

You can simply look at the map (average players in space) to see if there is a hostile camp or hotdrop ready to go. Hot drops are annoying but it's part of the game. I'm sorry you lost your tengu to a bunch of bombers or whatever but HTFU.

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Also I think this is backwards. We need to allow more cynos, I think covert cynos need to be allowed in 0.8 and lower. This would add great fun to highsec warfare.

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In addition, capitals and super capitals should be able to use stargates like a cyno. They get near them, just like any other ship, and click jump. Instead of the gate activating it downloads the information for the destination gate and uses the jump drive to jump to it. This still consumes fuel (and ends up consuming more because it's not a straight line if you are jumping more than 1 system).

This doesn't make travel safer since if you jumped into a bubble or got pointed a capital could not use the gate because they need the use of their jump drive. Again, since the use of a JD is required this would not allow them to enter jammed systems either.

It's exactly the same as hi sec miners complaining about their Hulk getting ganked.

YOUR corp on top of all tell them to HTFU:

"If you want to not die then fit tank and drop yield"
"If you want top yield then you will die"

"You can't have both".


Hey, now it's your corp turn to be schooled about "you can't have pie and eat it".
Is it tedious? Sure, in the same manner it's awful to fit a massive tank on an Hulk. Yet miners are schooled about go that way or the highway, right?

As Tippia says, the cost is not relevant for game balance.
People WILL get those 60b (which is fairly easy, I could buy a titan today and I am a solo casual player playing 1 hour a day) so the roadblock is just a bump, not a limit.

I bet all those WW1 French vets were pissed when the Blitzkrieg was invented. I don't think they had forums to whine on about it.

To the OP:

Your are exaggerating a little with the time it takes to move big fleets. Normally just getting everyone in range of a titan bridge without bumping said titan outside a POS can be a challenge. The reason I stopped doing null-sec PVP was all the blue-balling, where you literally take hours to assemble a fleet, maneuver it into position, bridge, and then half the time there will be no fight.

Organizing hundreds of people to do anything is in itself a difficult task that takes practice, discipline and patience, and even then you'll have to put up with the asshats who show up 10 minutes after form-up and ask for ammo in local chat...

That said, I do agree that transport has gotten too easy. Jumpbridges, titan bridges, jump freighters, etc... it's all making EVE a smaller place with less room for everyone. I also think the clutter of player owned stations in null-sec is a real problem. Null-sec is becoming way too safe, which is why everyone and his dog move to empire to gank haulers and miners.

I'll take that as a "yes".

Um... when 0.0 was founded nobody was jumping stuff in. I used to use a badger mkII w/stabs all low and as much tank as I could manage and a shuttle to scout. It was a mad dash. ...but at that time null had more relative value in isk terms and it wasn't one or two alliances w/ blobs of supers teleporting around the map that ran the show. Do you even know what a scout is? Have you ever used one? There's no need in todays eve. There are no logistics.




This is absolutely correct ^ Fuel is nothing. In fact you could increase the price of fuel by an order of magnitude and I probably wouldn't even notice the change. Fuel is not the problem. Teleportation is. Need to reign it in somehow. I was hoping Inferno would address it but meh... hapy about crimewatch and wardecs. We're getting there.

I think it is a little of all the above, with some emphasis on the latter.