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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#21 - 2012-05-09 06:46:43 UTC
I hear for CSM 8 they plan on pre-screening candidates by way of Rorschach tests along with various word association and polygraph tests.

Liability, et al. Nobody wants to repeat the mistakes of CSM7, after all.

Oh snap! They haven't even done anything yet!

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#22 - 2012-05-09 06:53:55 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I think you are having some trouble separating fantasy from reality here, mang. Maybe you should lay off the Veld for a few weeks.


Are you saying Veld combines fantasy and reality and the barrier between the two disappears unless one lays off the Veld.


I'm saying the veld you are chewing on constantly acts as a psychoactive turning you into a asdgnkalsa['lmgdn]lafndg;slfndgl[asdgj
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[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#23 - 2012-05-09 06:55:24 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I'm sorry the mean PVPers PVPed you against your will in a game about non-consentual PVP.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#24 - 2012-05-09 07:03:43 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I'm sorry the mean PVPers PVPed you against your will in a game about non-consentual PVP.


LoL. You need to check my battleclinic record before spouting off even more nonsense. Wait, nevermind. Your entertaining.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#25 - 2012-05-09 07:09:56 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I'm sorry the mean PVPers PVPed you against your will in a game about non-consentual PVP.


LoL. You need to check my battleclinic record before spouting off even more nonsense. Wait, nevermind. Your entertaining.

By your reckoning, a record like that just screams "sociopath!" Look at all those assets you destroyed...

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Zora'e
#26 - 2012-05-09 07:19:01 UTC
Actually, some of the psychology behind this IS relevant to EVE. For one, I am a sociopath, and I play EVE. I enjoy plucking the legs off of small children and burning puppies with acid, dipping cats into cement and letting it dry on them and oh yeah my favorite part, I LOVE roll playing a carebear in EVE.

Now.. if you actually believe the above, I'd like to know if you would be interested in this lovely Bridge on Mars I happen to have at a fabulously discounted price. It was formerly located in Brooklyn and was recently moved to the Mars city New Brooklyn......

~Z

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#27 - 2012-05-09 07:19:57 UTC
The good old good versus evil.

How can someone good choose to do something evil if the evil wasn't already present.

How could Adam choose to to something bad if the bad wasn't created in the first place. I.e. If evil didn't exsist then how could he choose for it.
There is a certain truth to it that one can't act or choose an option which isn't already available.
The question however is did we creat that availability or was it created as an extra option.
If it was created as an extra option then why did we choose it?
Was it out of curiousity or plain because it gave us the ability to give in to darker desires deeply present in us.

I think that is a question only people can answer for themselves.
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#28 - 2012-05-09 07:25:11 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

By your reckoning, a record like that just screams "sociopath!" Look at all those assets you destroyed...



Quoting part of my earlier post in this thread.

Olleybear wrote:
Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not.


When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#29 - 2012-05-09 07:27:01 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

By your reckoning, a record like that just screams "sociopath!" Look at all those assets you destroyed...



Quoting part of my earlier post in this thread.

Olleybear wrote:
Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not.



Does this mean that sociopaths all wait at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries?

Of course not.

Boy we've proven tons here haven't we?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-09 07:28:11 UTC
What exactly do sociopaths do?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#31 - 2012-05-09 07:29:22 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
What exactly do sociopaths do?

Wait outside grocery store exits to beat up old ladies and steal their dentures.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-05-09 07:34:38 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:


Boy we've proven tons here haven't we?


What have you proven.

Perhaps trolling trollers troll trolls while trolling? Shrug.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#33 - 2012-05-09 10:39:18 UTC
Let the rain fall down
Wake my dreams
Let it wash away my sanity
Cause I wanna feel the thunder
I wanna scream
Let the rain fall down
I'm coming clean
I'm coming clean

Wired, but just remind me of this song...
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#34 - 2012-05-09 11:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mythrandier
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Something like this is best handled in private channels ratehr than a public forum I would think.



I assume you jest Sir, given that the CSM member the OP reffers to created a thread here that publicly berrated Mittani's "behaviour" at fan fest. Various other CSM members told her to take it private and talk things over with them. The thread continued for some time.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#35 - 2012-05-09 15:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Shian Yang wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Thats worrying to me.


Greetings capsuleer Malkavian,

I have greater things that worry me. For example, an elected member of the CSM ignoring their compatriots and the cohesive, player representative platform the CSM is. Or, as another example, a member of the CSM focussing on politics, grandstanding and so forth and self promotion rather than on the actual working of the CSM and delivering more to New Eden.

Regards,

Shian Yang


theyre politicians (even if pretend ones)... its a bit expected
Quote:

In our previous CSM we had a group who did the hard yards; who did the work.


You believe them when tey say that? I dont... They claimed responsibility for nearly everything positive CCP did after the emergency summit thing. The threads of the dev blogs were so filled with them slapping themselves on the backs and gladhanding with EVERY SINGLE THING that got changed, it lost credibility for me.

Quote:
I'm not so confident one of the members of the CSM we have now is capable of anything more than being a show pony. Two of them actually; two that seem to be reasonably well embedded together. It is good to remind other capsuleers of this so when those capsuleers stand up and try to be elected they can be shot down like the political beasts they are. However, that is an elected candidate and as such holds a seat. You cannot change that now, despite the behavior of that candidate no matter how ugly it truly is.


We REALLY need a recall system. Even if its just a revote system. Something OTHER than the current system that we have for if they get their hand in the cookie jar then yeah they have to step down but other than that theres no reprocussions. They can get voted out later, but during their term, they can then ignore their constituancy as much as they want and nothing will happen. You do that enough in US elections and there can be a recall election where your ass gets kicked out and a person who WILL do the work will be put in.
We need that.

Jake Warbird wrote:
Malkavian,eh?


Ive always found Malks to be the most fun to play. Ppl who dont know dismiss you as insane, allowing you great freedom. Those who DO know scrutinize everything you do so its funny as hell to do exactly the opposite of what they think youll do, or give them other false trails to send ppl off and watch them chase their own tails.

Sorry, posted this then went to bed. Ill catch up

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#36 - 2012-05-09 15:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Quote:
You should probably be more worried that people actually elected such a transparent, self promotional candidate. I guess people will buy anything if it is on sale.


Guess in game Democracy works like the IRL kind. It falls down when confronted with people that are easily swayed. In this case it falls down with no way to fix it when one person can get as many votes as you have alts. Such as mr 10k. Funny thing that... their total alliance is said to be numbering 16k or so... what 6k section voted for the "wrong" person?

Shian Yang wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
However, that is an elected candidate and as such holds a seat. You cannot change that now, despite the behavior of that candidate no matter how ugly it truly is.

Internet greetings,

It is odd that you mention this ...


With irony,

~Ala


Greetings capsuleer Fera,

I was thinking the same myself as I wrote those words. But we need to distinguish between what happens within New Eden and what happens outside of it; sad as it may be.

Regards,

Shian Yang


sadly due to how much a part of the GAME the "metagame" is I doubt that will ever be truly sorted out.

Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


Apparently the CSM I quoted (and the point of this thread) IS one of those ppl.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-09 15:45:46 UTC
I'm one of the people who believes people act in-game the way they really are or wish they were. Same goes for the Internet or anywhere else where you can be yourself with a high degree of anonymity and virtually zero consequences to your behaviour.

A d*** is a d***. Online or in real life, he's still a d***. The difference is, when at work and talking to his boss, a d*** will try to hide that he's a d***. Because there are obvious and immediate consequences to acting like a d*** in such a situation. But at home, or better yet on the internet, with relative anonymity and no consequences? You just buckle up and feel the Gs. That's an example of a person acting online the way they really are.

Now take the oh-so-common "Internet tough guy". Would they act this way in real life? For a vast majority of them, the answer is no. This is an example of person acting online the way they wish they were able to in real life. Reality is simple - mouthing off at the wrong person and/or at the wrong place and/or at the wrong time can have negative consequences on your health. Action and reaction. Choice and consequence. There are of course actual tough guys, but in real life even they remember the simple truth - no matter how big or scary you are, there's always someone bigger and scarier than you. Or just someone with more friends. But even the real tough guys are way more mouthy online.

Not surprisingly, the same holds in EVE. I mean, let's be honest for a second here. The game mechanics attract a certain type of personality - someone who likes a little edge to their games. As a consequence, EVE has more than a standard compliment of really disturbed people. It goes with the territory and it's nothing to be surprised about.

So I really don't know what the big deal is. This kind of stuff is not only common, it is expected.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#38 - 2012-05-09 15:49:22 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Yes, we've seen this thread hundreds of times but dunno how many ppl know this came from an elected CSM

Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler


No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.

Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


I pointed this out, a few posts later, got this reply:

Issler Dainze wrote:


I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.


So not only IS there insanity, its still there and we voted this insanity in?

Yeah the CSM system TOTALLY works guys. We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.

Thats worrying to me.


She is making a point. It seems you have a personal grudge against this CSM member - otherwise you would not have created a thread to try and discredit them as you seem to be doing. Something like this is best handled in private channels ratehr than a public forum I would think.


Firstly, yes we should totally never air the dirty laundry of politicians, only take care of it so the public never sees. Yes do it like that.

Secondly, Ive never heard of this CSM other than seeing her commenting in passing till I saw this comment. So, no, I dont have a personal grudge against them, I have a grudge against the truly stupid assertion that what I do in game has ANY bearing on who I am out of game. I believe people like this need to take a vacation from the game before they hurt themselves because someone kills them. Look to the case of the people playing D&D committing suicide in the early days of D&D because they lose the line between reality and game

I created a thread to discredit them because I think this idea of "if you play a sociopath in game then you must be one in real life" is insane

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#39 - 2012-05-09 15:54:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
jeez expand the number of quotes we can quote this is annoying


Olleybear wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:


Boy we've proven tons here haven't we?


What have you proven.

Perhaps trolling trollers troll trolls while trolling? Shrug.


Yeah thats kinda the point he was making about your argument.

Mythrandier wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Something like this is best handled in private channels ratehr than a public forum I would think.



I assume you jest Sir, given that the CSM member the OP reffers to created a thread here that publicly berrated Mittani's "behaviour" at fan fest. Various other CSM members told her to take it private and talk things over with them. The thread continued for some time.


Yea thats where I got it from however, I went to the post where she said what she said in the OP, posted that in another thread, she replied that she still thought that now and feels she was vindicated by Mittani's behavior, then I kinda realized the depth of the (yes ironic) insanity, and needed to post THIS thread and get a sample of public opinion on it.

Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
I'm one of the people who believes people act in-game the way they really are or wish they were. Same goes for the Internet or anywhere else where you can be yourself with a high degree of anonymity and virtually zero consequences to your behaviour.

A d*** is a d***. Online or in real life, he's still a d***. The difference is, when at work and talking to his boss, a d*** will try to hide that he's a d***. Because there are obvious and immediate consequences to acting like a d*** in such a situation. But at home, or better yet on the internet, with relative anonymity and no consequences? You just buckle up and feel the Gs. That's an example of a person acting online the way they really are.

Now take the oh-so-common "Internet tough guy". Would they act this way in real life? For a vast majority of them, the answer is no. This is an example of person acting online the way they wish they were able to in real life. Reality is simple - mouthing off at the wrong person and/or at the wrong place and/or at the wrong time can have negative consequences on your health. Action and reaction. Choice and consequence. There are of course actual tough guys, but in real life even they remember the simple truth - no matter how big or scary you are, there's always someone bigger and scarier than you. Or just someone with more friends. But even the real tough guys are way more mouthy online.

Not surprisingly, the same holds in EVE. I mean, let's be honest for a second here. The game mechanics attract a certain type of personality - someone who likes a little edge to their games. As a consequence, EVE has more than a standard compliment of really disturbed people. It goes with the territory and it's nothing to be surprised about.

So I really don't know what the big deal is. This kind of stuff is not only common, it is expected.


This game is BASED on destroying things.
Its FUELED by destruction. Killing people and things and the fact you CAN DIE, ANYWHERE at ANY TIME is one of the great things about this game. If you think that makes the people doing the destroying crazy, maybe you shouldnt be playing it. It sounds like it may be damaging to your psyche.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-09 16:05:26 UTC
Malkavians are my second favourite race... I agree they are pretty awesome... But sometime I feel like ripping stuff to shreds and I love Gangrels for it.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.