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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#1 - 2012-05-09 05:19:22 UTC
Yes, we've seen this thread hundreds of times but dunno how many ppl know this came from an elected CSM

Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler


No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.

Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


I pointed this out, a few posts later, got this reply:

Issler Dainze wrote:


I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.


So not only IS there insanity, its still there and we voted this insanity in?

Yeah the CSM system TOTALLY works guys. We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.

Thats worrying to me.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Shian Yang
#2 - 2012-05-09 05:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Shian Yang
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Thats worrying to me.


Greetings capsuleer Malkavian,

I have greater things that worry me. For example, an elected member of the CSM ignoring their compatriots and the cohesive, player representative platform the CSM is. Or, as another example, a member of the CSM focussing on politics, grandstanding and so forth and self promotion rather than on the actual working of the CSM and delivering more to New Eden.

In our previous CSM we had a group who did the hard yards; who did the work. I'm not so confident one of the members of the CSM we have now is capable of anything more than being a show pony. Two of them actually; two that seem to be reasonably well embedded together. It is good to remind other capsuleers of this so when those capsuleers stand up and try to be elected they can be shot down like the political beasts they are.

However, that is an elected candidate and as such holds a seat. You cannot change that now, despite the behavior of that candidate no matter how ugly it truly is.

You should probably be more worried that people actually elected such a transparent, self promotional candidate. I guess people will buy anything if it is on sale.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-05-09 05:52:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2012-05-09 05:58:52 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
However, that is an elected candidate and as such holds a seat. You cannot change that now, despite the behavior of that candidate no matter how ugly it truly is.

Internet greetings,

It is odd that you mention this ...


With irony,

~Ala

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Shian Yang
#5 - 2012-05-09 06:06:03 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
However, that is an elected candidate and as such holds a seat. You cannot change that now, despite the behavior of that candidate no matter how ugly it truly is.

Internet greetings,

It is odd that you mention this ...


With irony,

~Ala


Greetings capsuleer Fera,

I was thinking the same myself as I wrote those words. But we need to distinguish between what happens within New Eden and what happens outside of it; sad as it may be.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-05-09 06:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Saia Tae Arragosa
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Yes, we've seen this thread hundreds of times but dunno how many ppl know this came from an elected CSM

Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler


No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.

Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


I pointed this out, a few posts later, got this reply:

Issler Dainze wrote:


I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.


So not only IS there insanity, its still there and we voted this insanity in?

Yeah the CSM system TOTALLY works guys. We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.

Thats worrying to me.


She is making a point. It seems you have a personal grudge against this CSM member - otherwise you would not have created a thread to try and discredit them as you seem to be doing. Something like this is best handled in private channels ratehr than a public forum I would think.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#7 - 2012-05-09 06:18:55 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Yes, we've seen this thread hundreds of times but dunno how many ppl know this came from an elected CSM

Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler


No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.

Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


I pointed this out, a few posts later, got this reply:

Issler Dainze wrote:


I believe that and I think we've seen some recent events to make my case.


So not only IS there insanity, its still there and we voted this insanity in?

Yeah the CSM system TOTALLY works guys. We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.

Thats worrying to me.


She is making a point. It seems you have a personal grudge against this CSM member - otherwise you would not have created a thread to try and discredit them as you seem to be doing. Something like this is best handled in private channels ratehr than a public forum I would think.


lol

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-05-09 06:28:08 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.


Something for you to ponder.

Give someone power and/or money and they will become who they really are.

More to the point. Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.

I have seen enough in game, on internet forums, and in real life to know just how true the above things are. Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not. Yet you can watch news anywhere in the world and see all of the nasty stuff people do to one another daily and how sociopathic behavior is the norm in real life.

Is it really a stretch to think more than a few sociopaths in real life play Eve? No, and to deny this is to deny logic, common sense, and what is happening in real life daily.

People are nasty creatures.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#9 - 2012-05-09 06:29:59 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.


Something for you to ponder.

Give someone power and/or money and they will become who they really are.

More to the point. Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.

I have seen enough in game, on internet forums, and in real life to know just how true the above things are. Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not. Yet you can watch news anywhere in the world and see all of the nasty stuff people do to one another daily and how sociopathic behavior is the norm in real life.

Is it really a stretch to think more than a few sociopaths in real life play Eve? No, and to deny this is to deny logic, common sense, and what is happening in real life daily.

People are nasty creatures.

Ah, I think I see what you're getting at ... sociopaths and a subset of EVE players that like explosions, eh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#10 - 2012-05-09 06:31:29 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.


Something for you to ponder.

Give someone power and/or money and they will become who they really are.

More to the point. Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.

I have seen enough in game, on internet forums, and in real life to know just how true the above things are. Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not. Yet you can watch news anywhere in the world and see all of the nasty stuff people do to one another daily and how sociopathic behavior is the norm in real life.

Is it really a stretch to think more than a few sociopaths in real life play Eve? No, and to deny this is to deny logic, common sense, and what is happening in real life daily.

People are nasty creatures.


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#11 - 2012-05-09 06:32:55 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.


Something for you to ponder.

Give someone power and/or money and they will become who they really are.

More to the point. Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.

I have seen enough in game, on internet forums, and in real life to know just how true the above things are. Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not. Yet you can watch news anywhere in the world and see all of the nasty stuff people do to one another daily and how sociopathic behavior is the norm in real life.

Is it really a stretch to think more than a few sociopaths in real life play Eve? No, and to deny this is to deny logic, common sense, and what is happening in real life daily.

People are nasty creatures.


Also all those people who cosplay as Stormtroopers must actually be fascists in real life, right?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#12 - 2012-05-09 06:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.


Something for you to ponder.

Give someone power and/or money and they will become who they really are.

More to the point. Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.

I have seen enough in game, on internet forums, and in real life to know just how true the above things are. Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not. Yet you can watch news anywhere in the world and see all of the nasty stuff people do to one another daily and how sociopathic behavior is the norm in real life.

Is it really a stretch to think more than a few sociopaths in real life play Eve? No, and to deny this is to deny logic, common sense, and what is happening in real life daily.

People are nasty creatures.


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?

Murderous psychopaths turn Grand Theft Auto into people sand.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#13 - 2012-05-09 06:34:47 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#14 - 2012-05-09 06:35:32 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.

Any chance there are sociopathic carebears acting out their feelings of sympathy and affection?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#15 - 2012-05-09 06:35:52 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.


Something for you to ponder.

Give someone power and/or money and they will become who they really are.

More to the point. Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.

I have seen enough in game, on internet forums, and in real life to know just how true the above things are. Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not. Yet you can watch news anywhere in the world and see all of the nasty stuff people do to one another daily and how sociopathic behavior is the norm in real life.

Is it really a stretch to think more than a few sociopaths in real life play Eve? No, and to deny this is to deny logic, common sense, and what is happening in real life daily.

People are nasty creatures.


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?

Murderous psychopaths turn Grand Theft Auto into people sand.


Do they turn the box into sand, too?

Does my enjoyment of Saints Row mean that I enjoy jumping out of airplanes to try to land on little old ladies?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Elara Zetoya
#16 - 2012-05-09 06:36:43 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Greetings capsuleer Malkavian,

I have greater things that worry me. For example, an elected member of the CSM ignoring their compatriots and the cohesive, player representative platform the CSM is. Or, as another example, a member of the CSM focussing on politics, grandstanding and so forth and self promotion rather than on the actual working of the CSM and delivering more to New Eden.

...

You should probably be more worried that people actually elected such a transparent, self promotional candidate. I guess people will buy anything if it is on sale.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Democratic elections, more often than not, come down to a popularity contest, not a judgement of the candidates' capabilities. PR can overshadow ineptitude.

When I'm good I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm better.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#17 - 2012-05-09 06:36:59 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I think you are having some trouble separating fantasy from reality here, mang. Maybe you should lay off the Veld for a few weeks.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#18 - 2012-05-09 06:39:43 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I think you are having some trouble separating fantasy from reality here, mang. Maybe you should lay off the Veld for a few weeks.

What I meant to ask is if there is any chance that Eve plays sociopaths.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-09 06:40:37 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I think you are having some trouble separating fantasy from reality here, mang. Maybe you should lay off the Veld for a few weeks.


I do not think Olleybear is the nutter here in this case.
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#20 - 2012-05-09 06:41:55 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


So are you also the type of person who believes that sandbox games like Grand Theft Auto turn people in murderous psychopaths?


No, I said sociopaths are in real life doing nasty things to other people and sociopaths play eve.


I think you are having some trouble separating fantasy from reality here, mang. Maybe you should lay off the Veld for a few weeks.


Are you saying Veld combines fantasy and reality and the barrier between the two disappears unless one lays off the Veld.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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