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Balcony Jumper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-08 20:10:57 UTC
We field 5 rr tengus in a C4 currently and it seems like overkill (and C4's are getting boring) so we're considering upgrading to C5's. Does anyone know if the non-escalated isk in a C5 is significantly better than a C4?
Aethis Rex
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-08 20:36:22 UTC
From my experiences, 3 RR tengus for a c4 generate generate from 100-140 mil isk per hour. If done well, its hard to beat.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-08 22:52:51 UTC
Aethis Rex wrote:
From my experiences, 3 RR tengus for a c4 generate generate from 100-140 mil isk per hour. If done well, its hard to beat.


Per pilot?
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-08 23:18:52 UTC
c5's will make slightly more once you get used to the new anoms. however if you want more income you will have to start looking at capital escalating the sites. thats where the real money is at
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-09 02:28:03 UTC
somewhere a while back I posted in a thread with these numbers:

approximate isk per site:
C2: 25mil
C3: 50mil
C4: 100mil
C5: 250mil

I also had the approximate dps needed to tank if you were flying a battleship sized vessel... but I can't remember that atm, or find the thread. So as you can see, the amount of isk per site is drastically increased... isk per player may not be though, depending upon how long it takes you to complete the site. Of course, once you add capital escalation C5's stomp all over lower class WH's, but that would be for later...

-Arazel
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-09 02:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
TBH, you probably won't make much more isk/hour/pilot in a c5 than a c4 in rr tengus.
you'll make a lot more in c6s, or if you start escalating c5 sites.

If you want to speed up your c4 sites, run it with 2 RR tengus for reps and the rest just 6 launcher, max DPS fits with TPs.

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Mr Majestyk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-09 02:40:02 UTC
I've been able to make about 150m/h running a C2 with a tengu. About 100m/h with a drake.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-09 07:05:57 UTC
Mr Majestyk wrote:
I've been able to make about 150m/h running a C2 with a tengu. About 100m/h with a drake.



That's pretty standard. C4s will be better money for 4 people, but the more Tengus you can add (up to 8 I think) the more ISK efficient C5s become. This is because your ability to clear sites quickly is what is determining your ISK/hr total, and you're reaching a threshold at that point where you're clearing sites quickly enough but not to the point where you're receiving "diminishing returns" on the added tengus. I've seen videos of 3 RR tengus clearing sites, but I think it was pre-neut/web/scram era C5s, so I wouldn't advise that few.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-09 07:53:22 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
Mr Majestyk wrote:
I've been able to make about 150m/h running a C2 with a tengu. About 100m/h with a drake.



That's pretty standard. C4s will be better money for 4 people, but the more Tengus you can add (up to 8 I think) the more ISK efficient C5s become. This is because your ability to clear sites quickly is what is determining your ISK/hr total, and you're reaching a threshold at that point where you're clearing sites quickly enough but not to the point where you're receiving "diminishing returns" on the added tengus. I've seen videos of 3 RR tengus clearing sites, but I think it was pre-neut/web/scram era C5s, so I wouldn't advise that few.

Svo.


I think you are right. More than 8-9 tengus and you are better off splitting them into 2 teams for better isk/hour
Mattalious
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-09 10:13:36 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
TBH, you probably won't make much more isk/hour/pilot in a c5 than a c4 in rr tengus.
you'll make a lot more in c6s, or if you start escalating c5 sites.

If you want to speed up your c4 sites, run it with 2 RR tengus for reps and the rest just 6 launcher, max DPS fits with TPs.



Truth. A pair of RR Tengus can tank the sites as long as you've got the skills to do it. Though, even with max skills the second wave is always a bit anus tightening. But you can normally kill the sleepless upholder before your tank is broken. The first and third waves are a sinch.

Duel boxing is definitely the way to go if your in a WH. You don't need to rely on people being on, and as long as you make sure you scan the hole down properly, you can limit your exposure to loss.
Mattalious
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-09 10:19:19 UTC
Mr Majestyk wrote:
I've been able to make about 150m/h running a C2 with a tengu. About 100m/h with a drake.


C4s will produce around 500 million ISK in two hours of work - that's running five barracks and then cleaning up. But you've always got to add an hour on for scanning and making sure the hole you''re working is secure. You've also go to find holes with the shooty to do. You'll be lucky to find a hole with more than a handful of barracks, which is where the real C4 money is. Command Posts just take too long because of that damned third wave.
Kobodera
Soggy Bottom Balls
#12 - 2012-05-09 10:27:09 UTC
These are the points each site is awarded in our plexing manager. They are calculated to be worth approximatly 1m ISK / point (includes both tags and salvage). They are not precise since sell values and salvage success differs, but in the end they were fairly accurate. We did mostly C5+ sites and escalation so the lesser classes can be a bit off however.

C6 Anomaly 480
C6 Magnometric 950
C6 Radar 640
C5 Anomaly 235
C5 Magnometric 675
C5 Radar 360
C4 Anomaly 100
C3 Anomaly 50
C2 Anomaly 18
Escalation 6x 144
Escalation 8x 192
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#13 - 2012-05-09 17:19:32 UTC
We've found C5 anoms to average about 300m ISK worth unescalated - they vary a bit tho, the mags/radars about 150-200m on top of that with some good loot - unless you get intact parts which can push it up quite a bit. Each escalation wave IIRC is about 200-300m worth as well so you can easily clear 900-1300m on a fully escalated C5 site.
Balcony Jumper
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-11 23:50:30 UTC
We were thinking about moving into a WH with a static C5, but seems like it'd be better to make our home in a C5 so we can put caps on the field. Looks like we're going to need more cap pilots.... damn
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#15 - 2012-05-12 01:20:30 UTC
Kobodera wrote:
These are the points each site is awarded in our plexing manager. They are calculated to be worth approximatly 1m ISK / point (includes both tags and salvage). They are not precise since sell values and salvage success differs, but in the end they were fairly accurate. We did mostly C5+ sites and escalation so the lesser classes can be a bit off however.

C6 Anomaly 480
C6 Magnometric 950
C6 Radar 640
C5 Anomaly 235
C5 Magnometric 675
C5 Radar 360
C4 Anomaly 100
C3 Anomaly 50
C2 Anomaly 18
Escalation 6x 144
Escalation 8x 192


What's the point of a point system which is 1:1 with isk?
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#16 - 2012-05-12 10:22:32 UTC
Balcony Jumper wrote:
We were thinking about moving into a WH with a static C5, but seems like it'd be better to make our home in a C5 so we can put caps on the field. Looks like we're going to need more cap pilots.... damn


We in Exhale. fully support new corporations moving into C5s to run cap escalations. Big smile
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#17 - 2012-05-12 12:29:11 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
Kobodera wrote:
These are the points each site is awarded in our plexing manager. They are calculated to be worth approximatly 1m ISK / point (includes both tags and salvage). They are not precise since sell values and salvage success differs, but in the end they were fairly accurate. We did mostly C5+ sites and escalation so the lesser classes can be a bit off however.

C6 Anomaly 480
C6 Magnometric 950
C6 Radar 640
C5 Anomaly 235
C5 Magnometric 675
C5 Radar 360
C4 Anomaly 100
C3 Anomaly 50
C2 Anomaly 18
Escalation 6x 144
Escalation 8x 192


What's the point of a point system which is 1:1 with isk?


Obviously to cause extra work for the mathamatician behind it and for you to be frustrated. Anyways the info was very helpful and seems accuret according to my c2-c4 exposure.