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CCP - no really...when is mining going to be a good profession again?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2012-05-08 21:59:20 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Lharanai wrote:
Would be interesting to see a stat how many trashers and tornados die in highsec without killing their victim :)

Well, I can confirm that someone posting in this thread failed to gank one of my alts during a mining ops in a .6 system in dec 2011 Lol. He lost a thrasher. If he had used his ship scanner before attacking, he might have noticed the toon, though pretty much new then, was sitting in a properly tanked ship.

Tsk tsk, not ship scanning before ganking. That isn't a good show at all.

Good for you.

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Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-05-08 21:59:38 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?

Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.

It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining.

HTFU much?


Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?
I think Hulkageddon is a mechanic.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-05-08 22:04:54 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?

Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.


I agree, and CCP does too. During the fanfest they specifically stated that of the "3 tiers of EVE" -- combat, crafting, harvesting -- crafting and harvesting hadn't gotten any attention in a long time.

Personally I'm of the opinion that mining should have an interface similar to exploration or PI -- the mining interface would zoom in to the asteroid and then you would have to pick X number of points on the asteroid to actually mine, where X is the number of miners you have (with drones doing their own thing). You would then have to wait for them to cycle before ore comes back in. Every so often the veins would shake up, requiring you move the mining points.

No more bot mining. Of course, no more afk mining -- but that's no loss. Remember, CCP can't develop towards people who don't care enough about their game to actually be bothered playing it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2012-05-08 22:07:16 UTC
Xython wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?

Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.


I agree, and CCP does too. During the fanfest they specifically stated that of the "3 tiers of EVE" -- combat, crafting, harvesting -- crafting and harvesting hadn't gotten any attention in a long time.

Personally I'm of the opinion that mining should have an interface similar to exploration or PI -- the mining interface would zoom in to the asteroid and then you would have to pick X number of points on the asteroid to actually mine, where X is the number of miners you have (with drones doing their own thing). You would then have to wait for them to cycle before ore comes back in. Every so often the veins would shake up, requiring you move the mining points.

No more bot mining. Of course, no more afk mining -- but that's no loss. Remember, CCP can't develop towards people who don't care enough about their game to actually be bothered playing it.

Yeah that would be amusing. Painful as all hell to multibox, but still.. heh..

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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-05-08 22:17:23 UTC
The entire system needs an overhaul. No additional rewards, missions, or content, but a complete and utter makeover. The mechanics are far too boring for such a necessary aspect of the game's economy. It's the only profession in this game that actively encourages its players to do something else while performing the primary activity.

CCP by their own admission know mining is a boring, brainless activity.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#66 - 2012-05-08 22:19:01 UTC
So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.

Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.

Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Issler
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#67 - 2012-05-08 22:26:29 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.

Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.

Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Issler


If you want mining mechanic changes to be taken seriously, I'd ask your supposed supporters to back off on their torrent of whining posts. Mining mechanics are a thing that needs to be changed. Everyone knows this and I'm sure CCP is working on it. What miners don't need are people coming on the forums and white knighting for them, or getting all buttmad when someone removes them from their ship.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#68 - 2012-05-08 22:26:31 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Yes! Keep bitching and posting terrible threads in completely wrong places that offer no positive ideas!

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#69 - 2012-05-08 22:27:48 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Yes! Keep bitching and posting terrible threads in completely wrong places that offer no positive ideas!

:golfclap:

You said it !

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Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-05-08 22:28:02 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?

Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.

It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining.

HTFU much?


Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?


You seriously didn't know that a few years ago CCP added a bunch of mining missions?

It hasn't been 6 years. You're so full of hyperbole there's hyperbole in your hyperbole.

And you're way too obsessed with mining for your own good, based on the number of rant threads per day you start.

Just a friendly piece of advice: Try to focus on something other than mining for a day.



lol Mining Missions.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-05-08 22:29:21 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
So I ran on and was elected on (I believe) the idea mining is long overdue for some improvements in the fundamental experience. I can say my initial impression is that there is interest in mining improvements within the ranks of CCP.

Once the initial CSM 7 summit has happened we will have a lot better idea of what and when we can expect from CCP to finally show the miners the long overdue love we need.

Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Issler


If you want mining mechanic changes to be taken seriously, I'd ask your supposed supporters to back off on their torrent of whining posts. Mining mechanics are a thing that needs to be changed. Everyone knows this and I'm sure CCP is working on it. What miners don't need are people coming on the forums and white knighting for them, or getting all buttmad when someone removes them from their ship.



Negative - its been proven that the only time stuff happens in EVE is people whine on the forums.

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#72 - 2012-05-08 22:43:00 UTC
I make no bones that I mine. I mine to pay for my pvp ship builds, and shizzles. To me mining is in a good spot. It lets me take the game at a slow pace.

All I have to say to the OP is, Mining is not the only thing in EVE. Try something different. I play all aspects of the game. When I load up, and finished my daily routine. I decide how I am going to play. Exploration, pvp, Mining, hauling, chatting, roaming, missioning, bla bla bla......


If you are finding mining "boring" then you are doing to much of it.


o7
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-05-08 22:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Botleten wrote:
People will stop laughing at miners and looking down on them when CCP does something to where it isn't the most mind-numbingly simple, boring task in the game. My friend who got me into this game mined once for 2-3 minutes while I watched and I decided right then and there I'd never mine, ever. How anyone can pursue it as a 'profession' and keep playing this game for more than a week is beyond me.

It needs some sort of dynamic, such as a small series of random tasks done during it that can affect yield depending on the correct sequence... basically anything that makes it more entertaining than lock asteroid, initiate mining turret/drones, repeat mindlessly for hours on end.


I wish I could quit you.

Actually, I wish I could thumbs up this more. Only so many thumbs

Edit:

Xython wrote:
Personally I'm of the opinion that mining should have an interface similar to exploration or PI -- the mining interface would zoom in to the asteroid and then you would have to pick X number of points on the asteroid to actually mine, where X is the number of miners you have (with drones doing their own thing). You would then have to wait for them to cycle before ore comes back in. Every so often the veins would shake up, requiring you move the mining points


That's not bad, actually. Hmmmmmm

Hello, hello again.
Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-05-08 23:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Freggan
Forgive the obvious, literal and jokingly sane idea but......changing mining would be like trying to get blood out of a rock wouldn't it? It is what it is.




oops ill edit by adding: mining is the gathering of resources yeah? How do you change gathering of resources and why? Just to make it new and exciting again seems a waste of time. Unless you add the option of a roid being a random chance to pop open with a weird alien thing wanting to dismember your mining ship.....oops no we already have that in the form of gankers.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#75 - 2012-05-08 23:26:08 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Till then, miners stay active in the forums! We need to continue to show support for the idea it is the miner's turn for some positive attention, more than mineral prices, but real new improvements in the basic mining experience!

Yes! Keep bitching and posting terrible threads in completely wrong places that offer no positive ideas!


CCP watches the forums actively. Miners make an impression if they continue show they want change. You may say this is a terrible thread and that it offers no "ideas". Sad thing you miss is this thread shows a segment of Eve is dissatisfied with Eve's direction and they want change! That is in itself an "idea" and should be enough for a reasoned discussion.

We've seen big changes in Eve emerge from disenfranchised players that started movements by posting in these very forums.

If you want a "mining lasers should be greenish blue and work when I click on a triangle" level of design discussion, then yup, this may not be the right place, but sharing the feeling that miner's deserve better in Eve than they have been getting is exactly the sort of discussion I think fits here.

Issler
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#76 - 2012-05-08 23:49:38 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?

Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.

It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining.

HTFU much?


Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?


His worthless rants are why he's blocked for me. Im assuming he's a Goon alt cause he isnt getting banned for trolling every thread he's in... ****, look at his sig

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#77 - 2012-05-08 23:51:59 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler


No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.

Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


In case you forgot

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2012-05-08 23:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Issler

No offense... well a little.. but you also said the rather insane quote of how what you do in game show what you are IRL.
I think ppl should listen to you when you get less crazy. Or help.
Quote:
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

In case you forgot

It doesn't matter, just follow what they say blindly. Arkonor is primary, all strip miners activate aaaaaaaaaa

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Orlacc
#79 - 2012-05-08 23:58:11 UTC
First, a vocal minority is still a minority. Second, I mine and do fine. Third, OP seems to take it all personally.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
MrDiao
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
#80 - 2012-05-09 00:01:00 UTC
As far as our economics has to be keep alive by mining macros then we simply hate it.