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Wanting to do wormholes, just risk adverse

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Rexorol
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#1 - 2012-05-08 02:49:42 UTC
I've been trying to prep myself for wormhole life for nearly a year now across 3 characters.

My main has dumped a lot of skillpoints into Tengu-related skills and should be ready to rock in the stereotypical cloaky site raider hull soon.

My secondary has specialized heavily into scanning and all of the other exploration skills, covert ops, and will be in a support Proteus and sentry Ishtar soon.

My newest scavenger alt is about to be finished training up into a cloaky orca to act as a mobile base and booster. All 3 of these guys will be ready to go in a couple of weeks.

All the while I've been prepping for wormhole life I've been living very cheaply, raking in slow but comfortable cash with level 4s, throwing in mission mining or grav site mining or other exploration when I got bored. I don't make a lot of money hourly, but if I got around to selling all the excess ships I've built from reprocessed loot and ore, plus faction gear I've harvested from anomalies I probably have around 10-12 billion in assets I could cash out and completely pimp my T3 cruisers and Orca with.

I should have asked this before, but is it worth the risk? I've never been good about spamming Dscan, usually avoid PVP like the plague, and found faction warfare frustrating and lost way too many stealth bombers and cruisers when I tried it.

I've skimmed some of the wormhole guides and know I can make tons of isk, but if I throw all my assets into one basket literally to try to pull this off, how likely will it be I get podded and lose all 3 ships and everything I've spent building up the last year in preparation? Do the risks outweigh the rewards? Am I just asking to get frustrated and lose everything if I try to jump in solo and teach myself to shift gears from high-sec life to wormhole life without a corp or POS or anything to back me up?
Patrinella Vetaris
Vetaris
#2 - 2012-05-08 02:58:43 UTC
If you only plan on ninja wormholing (living without a sustaining pos) you only need your tengu alt to do the sites, then get out. However, sooner or later you will lose your tengu ship doing this. With a pos, your efforts to maintain it will be a laborious process without corp members to fully utilize it.

I reccomend joining a WH corp to get your feet wet, then if u want to be more independent at least have a back-up corp.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-08 02:59:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
WHs are not solo friendly.
Join a WH corp if you want to play in WHs.
That's the best advise I can give you.

There is no Bob.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-08 03:10:56 UTC
What I can tell you is I did the opposite. I got intrigued early on with wormholes and moved into one before I was even ready really. It was just a C1, but I had only been playing 5 months and my best C1 ship was a myrmidon.

What I experienced was beyong my wildest dreams, for a played of my age. I came out of that wormhole maybe 5 months later with 3 toons. 2 good tengu toons and this one can now fly a Proteus. Not to mention a fleet of T3's, 20 bil in assets and 7 bil in isk.

Yes wormholes are dangerous. Yes they are risky. But they are highly profitable. And I only saw the tip of the profit iceberg.

As for PVP. I tended to shy away from PVP, mostly due to the cost of ship replacement. PVP takes on a whole new feeling when you have the isk to burn. Last month I jumped in late to a fleet op with a wartarget. I grabbed my proteus (not the best choice but I was running late). I got primaried by 5 carriers and melted, even with all the logi on me. Poof, probably at least 800mil gone in minutes. Didn't even think twice. (nice feeling).

Things I loved about WH's

1. Unpredicable and changing. It was something new every day.
2. Risky. Good to keep the excitement of the game up.
3. PROFITABLE.

I've been chilling in HS the last 4 months. Mostly due to RL kicking my rear. I have a hard time even bothering with LVL 4 missions at this point, Ive gotten so spoiled. As soon as RL settles down I'll be diving back in though.
Miles Parabellum
Core Collapse Inc
#5 - 2012-05-08 07:56:24 UTC
You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich?
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#6 - 2012-05-08 08:13:31 UTC
Miles Parabellum wrote:
You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich?


10b in a WH is 3 fleet fights.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#7 - 2012-05-08 08:19:42 UTC
You probably can pull a solo operation off... but EVE is a really ****** and/or boring game for soloing, so in addition to being safer and more profitable, joining or founding a corp is likely to be much more fun as well.
Phrank Phish
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-08 08:20:37 UTC
Miles Parabellum wrote:
You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich?


I could never understand that mentality, to aquire wealth simply to look at it and say you have it, but dont use it. I probably made 50b out of c5's and spent every last isk.

Back on topic: Join a corp and have them teach you the tricks of wormhole life. There are lots of ways to make you more safe, but nothing is 100% and you will lose it all eventually. Dont worry though, if you persist there is a huge stack of isk to make.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-05-08 08:51:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
w-space is absolutely worth the risk, but it is also not for everyone. The risk can be managed and minimised with care and experience ... but never goes away and occasionally bad stuff just happens.

W-space is great for 'solo' work, whatever opinions others may hold, but solo w-space work is even more "not for everyone". You can earn the occasional isk, but it's pretty demanding and very unforgiving ... and very satisfying.

Some ppl prefer big gangs and that, others do not. So, yes, w-space has a place for you ... if you're up to it :-)


ofc my 'solo' is semi-solo small-gang of alts all belonging to me.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-08 08:57:26 UTC
just join a wormhole corp mate and not a low class one. tbh i cant recomend any but join a corp that atleast lives in a c5 so you can cap escalate sites. you should be making atleast 100m an hour here with some tengus and a carrier. when you start escalating with 2 dreads, 2 carriers and a loki then isk flows like water.

you will need some scan skills, preferably on an alt
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2012-05-08 10:34:39 UTC
You'll never be ready for wormholes if you are not ready for PVP. Sounds just like a gank waiting to happen, tbh.

PVP is just an attitude, technically you are ready as soon as you can fit a point and some kind of damage-dealing modules.

Wormhole space is mostly full of people for whom the risk itself is the reward. ISK is just a method to continue enjoying the risk.

This said, you are most warmly welcome to the unknown Bear

.

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#12 - 2012-05-08 10:58:32 UTC
Why go alone when you can play with others, right? This is a multiplayer game afterall.
That is what I learned.

Living in anything with hi sec static is primarily for doing PI in large amount as the amount of visitors is pretty large.
c-1 to 3 can't really support at big enough fleet for that to be funny.

C4 wh of sorts is probably best if you are in a small corp or else the best advice, join an existing corp.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
#13 - 2012-05-08 12:30:17 UTC
Join a corp. Learn all the ins and outs, and mechanics you need to know to survive, before heading out on your own. If you're risk adverse, this is the best way to go.
Kyros Xero
Xuronautics
#14 - 2012-05-08 14:08:57 UTC
Rexorol wrote:
....if I throw all my assets into one basket literally to try to pull this off, how likely will it be I get podded and lose all 3 ships and everything I've spent building up the last year in preparation? Do the risks outweigh the rewards? Am I just asking to get frustrated and lose everything if I try to jump in solo and teach myself to shift gears from high-sec life to wormhole life without a corp or POS or anything to back me up?

Being successful solo in wormholes is definitely possible. It's not an easy path and not a good semi-afk option, but when done right and approached with the right mentality it can be fun and profitable.

As far as ship losses, you will definitely lose ships so spending lots of ISK to pimp things out right from the start would be a horrible idea. If you're truly risk adverse, you could even downship your trio into something like BC/CovOps/SalvageDestroyer and go into a C1 to get some practical experience on the cheap while still making ISK.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#15 - 2012-05-08 14:46:13 UTC
Read my "wormhole nomad" thread :)

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-08 14:49:53 UTC
The rewards are there, but the risk must be tempered with preparation. Not being good at religiously spamming D-Scan is a red flag to me. You may not like pvp, but if you don't learn to love that button, you're going to get pvp'd (read: murdered) a lot more than you'd like.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-08 15:04:27 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
The rewards are there, but the risk must be tempered with preparation. Not being good at religiously spamming D-Scan is a red flag to me. You may not like pvp, but if you don't learn to love that button, you're going to get pvp'd (read: murdered) a lot more than you'd like.

evn with dscan, there's a lot of cloaky bad guys who can pin you long enough for their gang to arrive. imo, the only way to be 'safe enough' in anything more expensive than a drake is to either be in a sufficiently strong gang or to have a scan alt constantly scanning the entire system.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#18 - 2012-05-08 15:10:40 UTC
The best thing to get over your "being risk adverse" problem is to just simply get this mindset:

Every ship I undock is already lost


If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-08 15:19:23 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Klarion Sythis wrote:
The rewards are there, but the risk must be tempered with preparation. Not being good at religiously spamming D-Scan is a red flag to me. You may not like pvp, but if you don't learn to love that button, you're going to get pvp'd (read: murdered) a lot more than you'd like.

evn with dscan, there's a lot of cloaky bad guys who can pin you long enough for their gang to arrive. imo, the only way to be 'safe enough' in anything more expensive than a drake is to either be in a sufficiently strong gang or to have a scan alt constantly scanning the entire system.


True, but the point I meant to make is that spamming D-Scan is the most basic defense. If someone can't see themselves doing that, then other measures are probably out the window and they'll just be a space piƱata.
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#20 - 2012-05-08 18:23:01 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:


Every ship I undock is already lost


If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you.


This is true

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game

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