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Proteus vs Tengu

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MaximusDog
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#1 - 2012-05-07 20:19:11 UTC
I was wondering what would it be the pros and cons of flying a Proteus vs a Tengu.
I already have the skills for a Proteus but I have seen many people prefer the Tengu and very few the Proteus,
why ? which would be better for PvP?


cheersP
SpaceSquirrels
#2 - 2012-05-07 21:12:04 UTC
Depends on what you're doing/who with. You can brick the hell out of a prot, also makes the best cloak gank ship. Also prots weren't really regarded all to well until the hybrid changes.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-07 21:15:17 UTC
Proteus is by far my fav T3 (ive flown them all).
Tengu is better for many kspace fleets purely because of range but it's more boring than a drake to fly.

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MaximusDog
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#4 - 2012-05-07 21:46:23 UTC
I was thinking to use it for solo PVP....the Proteus.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-08 00:19:06 UTC
I'd have to agree with Jack. I friggin love the Proteus.

Thing about the Proteus, like most Gallente ships, is that you have to commit to teh fight. There's no pansy kiting "I'm not sure if I want to do this" about the Proteus.

On the other hand, a Tengu can generally dicate range better (especially 100mn AB versions) and generally has a much better chance of getting away.

If I were comparing them to say, Motorcycles, I'd put the proteus into the Ninja/Ducati camp while the Tengu is more in the BMW/Goldwing camp.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-08 00:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Thing about the Proteus, like most Gallente ships, is that you have to commit to teh fight. There's no pansy kiting "I'm not sure if I want to do this" about the Proteus.


this is very true.
basically for solo it comes down to balls.
if you have them, use a proteus. (if doing so, i would highly recommend a scout alt to go with and you really cant pull out of most fights in a proteus.)
if youre a pansy, fly a 100mn tengu like everyone else.

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Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#7 - 2012-05-08 02:32:04 UTC
Jack, while we are at it I remember you saying that proteus is the best T3 for WH pvp. I'd like to ask what kind of setups do you use? Any links or boosters? Tactics?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-08 03:02:14 UTC
Kaikka Carel wrote:
Jack, while we are at it I remember you saying that proteus is the best T3 for WH pvp. I'd like to ask what kind of setups do you use? Any links or boosters? Tactics?


yeah ive said that before and i'll stand by it.
fits can be found quite easily by looking on the loss mails of large WH entities such as Exhale, Aharm ect.
i personally like a ~2:1 prot/loki ratio for WH fleets with logi support and neut support. works extremely well.
sadly, the scrubs always insist on bringing their legions Roll

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-05-08 05:49:39 UTC
It's very simple, really.

If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting.
If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing.

If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second.
If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight.



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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#10 - 2012-05-08 14:13:21 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:


If I were comparing them to say, Motorcycles, I'd put the proteus into the Ninja/Ducati camp while the Tengu is more in the BMW/Goldwing camp.



Did you really just compare fictional internet spaceships to real life street bikes? The nerd is strong in this one.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-08 14:58:07 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:


If I were comparing them to say, Motorcycles, I'd put the proteus into the Ninja/Ducati camp while the Tengu is more in the BMW/Goldwing camp.



Did you really just compare fictional internet spaceships to real life street bikes? The nerd is strong in this one.

at least he didn't compare them to anime characters. or ponies.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Prez21
D-sync
D-sync.
#12 - 2012-05-08 15:21:18 UTC
Kaikka Carel wrote:
Jack, while we are at it I remember you saying that proteus is the best T3 for WH pvp. I'd like to ask what kind of setups do you use? Any links or boosters? Tactics?


Proteus is very popular in wh pvp, the gangs are smaller so dps projection isnt a problem especially with loki support and they fit a great buffer tank, along with lowish sig and great dps make them perfect for small gang pvp.
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#13 - 2012-05-09 14:53:10 UTC
So noone but Russians blobs with Tengus?

And is Legion so bad? I mean even in a HAM configuration?
Aesheera
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-09 14:57:39 UTC
Solo use imo: HML Tengu.
Faction disruptor, 100mn AB, active tank. Roll it.


Any other pvp scenario: Proteus becomes just as viable.
Blasters will remain to struggle with a short offensive range, hence me preferring Tengu when forced to choose a solo ship.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-10 13:33:34 UTC
Roime wrote:
It's very simple, really.

If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting.
If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing.

If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second.
If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight.



While the first about Tengus is true, the second about Proteus is the 0.01% situation you might see to "dream" not existing in Eve Lol
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-05-10 15:31:53 UTC
It's very true in wormholes, where Proteus is the dominant T3, and the dominant PVP ship.

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-10 20:56:08 UTC
Roime wrote:
It's very true in wormholes, where Proteus is the dominant T3, and the dominant PVP ship.



You're probably right, I haven't returned in WH's for a while now, this said I can't see what proteus offers that I can't do better with another T3 in same situation except raw dps on top of the target's head.

Neut it and can't even shoot and looses all it's EHP because hardeners (active) and hybrids (cap hungry), add a single rep and it's an easy kill.

Has to run all over to get in range of target witch means poor dps in this situation.

How many times the perfect situation where: you're at the top of your target, he's web 90%, scram, disrupt and you're solo doing all this? -none, in this yet another case every other T3 is as good and offers far more options than proteus.

Not saying it's not the dominant in wh's, just saying the same numbers and composition with amarr for example, do the same thing and give you far more options of engagement.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-10 21:09:52 UTC
Kaikka Carel wrote:
And is Legion so bad? I mean even in a HAM configuration?


HAM legion is terrible because it used missiles TBH.
it's only good for fighting BSs and caps.
laser legion has **** DPS and meh tank, only situation it is better than a proteus is at over 18.5km with scorch.
realistically youre rarely fighting that far away in WHs for anything more than 1 MWD pulse.

only good legion is a neut legion IMO.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2012-05-11 07:58:03 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Roime wrote:
It's very true in wormholes, where Proteus is the dominant T3, and the dominant PVP ship.



You're probably right, I haven't returned in WH's for a while now, this said I can't see what proteus offers that I can't do better with another T3 in same situation except raw dps on top of the target's head.


WHs are different, and being on top of the target happens most of the time. You fight either on a wormhole, where people spawn in blaster optimals, you sneak up on people cloaked or get a warpin from cloaky scout.

Bonused scram range means that it's very difficult to keep a Proteus out of it's range.

Quote:
Neut it and can't even shoot and looses all it's EHP because hardeners (active) and hybrids (cap hungry), add a single rep and it's an easy kill.


My fit has a NOS and a fully passive 117K EHP tank against it's lowest resist (explosive).

Quote:
Has to run all over to get in range of target witch means poor dps in this situation

How many times the perfect situation where: you're at the top of your target, he's web 90%, scram, disrupt and you're solo doing all this? -none, in this yet another case every other T3 is as good and offers far more options than proteus..


Like said, the perfect situation is the norm in whs. Also, you only need a scram or disruptor, not both. Ugh In cloaky config the Proteus simply has more tank and gank than the others, and those two stats mean a lot.

All the T3s have their strengths, and complement each others nicely. In a small gang, I'd like to have them all, performing the tasks that suit them best.

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#20 - 2012-05-11 09:59:54 UTC
Proteus has mids for utility
Tengu has lows for DPS

Just like all Shield/Armor ships.

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