Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Here is an implementation of ring mining that won't be done.
Frankly, I believe that this whole ring mining thing is just a ruse to justify hammering high sec profitability into the ground, but whatever.

If Soundwave was serious about it, he would set it up as such:

1. Calculate how much moon goo can be produced by the low sec moons, or even calculate the true amounts that were extracted in 2011.

2. Get the same measure for null sec moons.

3. Set that as the maximum amount of moon goo that can be found in the associated security areas.
If 200.000 units per week of a specific moon goo were extracted from null sec in 2011, then under the the ring mining system 200,000 units of tech would spawn very week in null sec. I would prefer using optimal numbers to create the cap, as opposed to what was actually extracted, though I know they are very close.

4. Now the fun part: These new rings/belts could spawn ANYWHERE in that security space. Completely randomize the locations. Further, the rings/belts will expire at some point. I believe that you could set a timer of a week, or 4 days, or whatever. The spawn location is not tied to any sov mechanic, and cannot be controlled or altered by any station add-on, as high end mineral belts can be today.

5. Make the ring/belts needed to be scanned down. Soundwave is taped saying this will happen, but I doubt it will.

6. He talked about creating a new ship class to mine the stuff. No problem there. Hell, even give it a jump drive. But just ensure that you need a small team of ships to mine out a ring/belt in a timely fashion. I am talking maybe 150-200 mining hours equal to 1 weeks production at a R64 moon.

Suddenly, the amount of effort to extract moon goo goes up exponentially.
Suddenly, null sec alliances have to really work hard for their main wealth generator.
Suddenly, sov does not mean as much, since you can't nail down your primary wealth generator.

Will all the potential tech be extracted every week? Unlikely.
Will the price of tech go up? Unknown, but look at the current prices under OTEC and tell me how they can be worse.
Will small organizations be tempted to ninja mine the stuff? You bet.
Will the major alliances hold as much turf, given there will be no point? No.
Will this provide an opportunity for smaller organizations to enter null sec? Yes.

And ultimately, will this hurt the null sec alliances? You bet.

And that is why it will never be implemented like this, because Soundwave's buddies would be hurt by this.
If any changes do occur to the moon goo mechanism, rest assured the new system will be as easy for the power blocs to control as it is today.

Let's all list really terrible ideas that CCP won't do because it will make the game worse.

What is the term used by the null sec zealots?
HTFU?

Yes, I think that is it.
Of course the propaganda team jumps on it immediately, because as I said, it would weaken the null sec blocs, and that must be avoided at all costs.

Hey, where do AAA Citizens hang out? Where does -A- hang out? I'll bet it's nullsec. I'll bet their income is mostly from Moongoo.

Edit: Well, not entirely, they do have you renter pets.

Yes, nullsec zealots.

Apparently Ziranda is a rather bitter pet.

Roll back the tech changes and make R64's the best moons again, leave existing moon mineral supplies alone but dilute them by adding another 30%-60% volume of R16's through to R64's in the form of low sec ring mining sites.

Jobs done.

1: I'd be very surprised if ring mining in some form isn't introduced as soon as the Winter expansion this year.

2: I doubt game mechanics would allow random spawns of these belts, however if it can be done I would have no objection to random spawning. It would lead to two things. More activity in Null, and higher prices... much higher.

3: The major achievement of a ring mining system is placing the wealth largely in the hands of the players again, and forces alliance leadership to create equitable arrangements with their pilots for compensation (if any). This is achieved if the belts spawn randomly or not. Currently there is no way beyond voluntary reporting or mandatory collection via corp ops for a corp to take a percentage, corp taxes do not come into effect on mined or sold goods.

4: Moon mining could also simply be done with the same system as PI, however the moon goo would have to be spread across a wide range of moons else it will simply be controlled by alliance leadership alts again. This would also provide an excellent incentive to hire DUST mercs if their activities are allowed to happen on moons in a future expansion.

5: If you want to be taken seriously, you need to lose that chip on your shoulder. We are all gamers here, enjoying the same game universe.

I might assume you were talking to me as you followed my post and the first bit of your might almost have been an answer to mine. You might be referring to the OP or anyone else here though, for all I know.

Assuming you are talking to me. I don't have a chip on my shoulder-so to speak-but rather personal opinions that don't necessarly agree with your opinions or that of others. To me, ring mining is nothing but a player rumor. I've never seen anything else about it and aside from references to Soundwave, have no idea what it exactly entails. So, for me, it isn't very real.

When I see it mentioned in a Dev Blog, (if it hasn't been in one that I've somehow missed), or someone feels like linking it here so I don't google up a bunch of rumor-like forums posts here, then maybe I might put some stock in it. Still, if it isn't blogged and is just speculation and ideas tossed around by the Devs, then it still isn't particularly real. When they ask us our opinion on implementation, then it is real.

Forgive me if that dosn't quite agree with you or some others.

Does that seem like a chip? It might be a little; but with all the bs PvP-Centric rationalizations, htfu or gtfo explanations, your idea is terribad, kill WiS, kill NEX, this is our game, etc... you might think it was warranted. My opinions on those subjects strictly aside, a little objectivity will show that the crowd-sourcing is one-sided to some degree with respect to the vocal majority of the playerbase. If people don't agree, they tend to get trolled out of their own threads and told to diaf-in game of course.

edit: nvm, you probably were referring to the OP. The thread title does seem to say 'chip' doesn't it. These forums are so one-sided it's hard not to get a little aggressive. ..apologies.

Moved from General Discussion, some trolling and personal attacks had been lost by carrier :)