Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wanting something for nothing .. how very null of you

"Noobs" probably don't care either way as they have yet to be infected by the Min/Max bug we geriatrics live with so best guess is that it stems from a desire to make alt maturation easier/cheaper/faster.

To assist legitimate "noobs", I could see it applying when/if:
- Character SP is <5M.
- Character has no implants whatsoever.
- Character has a basic clone (by far the best discriminator to determine if ISK is available).
- Character has been logged in and undocked in the last 24 hrs.

Anything less strict and it benefits alt spamming which is the bane of Eve if you ask me.

Don't we all :). But it is more about risk/reward balance than getting something for free. Currently, empire dwellers have an advantage in training times because they can fit their clones with very expensive implants without fear of getting podded.

This idea will even the odds by slightly nerfing higshsec training times and buffing low/null. The net effect from today would be +1 attribute point extra in low/null and -2 in highsec.

Noobs care the instant they become aware of attribute implants and training times.


I really don't like too much special noob treatment for a number of reasons. It is better with a general mechanic.

I don't understand the issue here really.
If you're in null-sec (or low to a lesser extent) then your earning potencial is far greater.

+3 Implants via LP Stores are only 25,000,000 isk
+4 Implants via LP Stores are only 60,000,000 isk

Anyone who is out in Low / Null will have spent far more than that on their ship. Sure if you purchase them from the market they are considerably more, but that said there are relatively high chances in Null-Sec for a rat to drop a single implant (such-as a low-grade Crystal or such) that cover the cost of the Skill Implants entirely.

When you add to that there are Jump Clones, sure this means for 24hrs you have the implants in that Jump Clone; but that is then entirely up to the pilot. Risk Implant Costs or have 24 hr reduced training time... for most rookies the training time difference is absolutely negliable.

Even with a full set of +4s, from Trial to Fly say a Stealth Bomber; you only get a reduction of 3 Days TOTAL.
This is completely different when you're talking Battlecruisers or Tech 2 Battleships, where these implants can reduce training time by almost 2 weeks in the most extreme cases.

If anything I'd say realistically the advantage with changing this goes entirely to players who are older who need Level 5 skills with 5x + Multipliers. Who imo should already know the damn risks of flying with expensive implants (which isn't what I'd class Base Attribute Implants, when full sets of Slave / Crystal / Halo / etc... are around 1+ billion)

There has been no reasons past "Loosing Implants puts off new Players to Null-Sec", but honestly Null-Sec isn't the best environment for new players; more likely players are going to be put off by their inability to earn money, feel useless in a fleet and sheer mind-numbing boredom.

Honestly how often do Null-Sec Alliances come down to Low-Sec each week, or hell even each day? I see many of them on a daily damn basis, perhaps you should think about far more about what is ACTUALLY wrong with Null-Sec as opposed to trying to change it to get more new blood out there.

To me the system we have now is brutal, but fair and works fine.
If Rookies can't handle loosing their implants in Low/Null-Sec they should stay out of them because they're not ready for it yet... combat is about either making someone else lose something, or losing something yourself - there is no grey area of carebear hand holding, the sooner Rookies learn this the better.

Not having to Learn the Learning Skills, Being Cloaked After Jumping, etc... Rookie pilots today already have more than enough advantages to train quickly and survive better; they don't need any more.

That is correct. Compared to now you would get +1 attribute buff in low/null and -2 in highsec.

The game doesn't require a ever increasing amount of players to survive. The level isn't for me to say as i'm not in charge of the company but its statement doesn't give weight to your argument either. Veterans don't quit EVE at any greater rate than gnubs come into EVE and stay.

Truthfully, it's better to keep those you have than gamble for those you do not.

And a fresh off the boat gnub has did nothing for the game at that point to warrant being given a special bonus in hopes they stick around. Sorry, we're all stocked up on bullshit guilt trips here, especially ones with no evidence to support it being used to justify a personal want. Your personal want.

My 5s go anywhere I want them to as i'm wealthy and can afford to lose them. I'm also doing okay outside of EVE and if I were to go broke tomorrow i'd be able to buy plex to solve the problem.

As to your threat of coming to low sec, here's one for you. Declare the war and bring it. Don't talk sh.it on the boards, because you don't impress me.