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Next Ship to Train for?

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THE LAUGHlNGMAN
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-01 00:24:36 UTC
So I have a raven and a drake but I realize I want to specialize in heavy missiles since they're a good all around missile compared to the raven's cruise missiles which can't knock out frigates in PVP. And cruisers tend to be cheaper than battleships.

I'm trying to tear through missions faster but I don't got any T2 weapons. I'm currently training heavy missile operation to V and I'm still not tearing through caldari navy level 4 missions with my drake easily. But it still feels like my raven is doing the same work as my Drake. I'm as well planning to go to Null-sec to make some money. I thought I could maybe go for a night hawk but it needs a crazy amount of skills, about 81 days of training for me. And the tengu is 21 days of training, which isn't as bad, but it doesn't have drones.

So I would like a recommendation on what ship I should aim for. I'm planning on doing Caldari PVP since it's just a waste of time to go any other race for PVPing.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2011-10-01 00:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
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I'm currently training heavy missile operation to V and I'm still not tearing through caldari navy level 4 missions with my drake easily.


The Drake is not renown for its DPS ability. Merely it's tank. With level 4 missions you kinda "need" a battleship (and/or battleship class damage) to chew through the rats efficiently.

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So I have a raven and a drake but I realize I want to specialize in heavy missiles since they're a good all around missile compared to the raven's cruise missiles which can't knock out frigates in PVP.


Any "large" weaponry has trouble tracking and damaging frigates... cruise missiles are no exception. They are, however, quite effective at hurting medium to large targets.

For small targets you need to use drones (T2 drones are pretty much a prerequisite for larger ships) and/or employ some "utility" mods (e.g. stasis webbifier, target painter, etc).

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I thought I could maybe go for a night hawk but it needs a crazy amount of skills, about 81 days of training for me.


Wait, what?? Outside of support skills, it takes a week to get Caldari Frig 5 and another week to get Assault Ship 4. You don't NEED to have every skill at level 5 to be effective.

edit: didn't read that part right... the Nighthawk is pretty much the same as a Drake... except with a better tank and slightly better DPS. Fun to fly, but not really what you need.

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And the tengu is 21 days of training, which isn't as bad, but it doesn't have drones.


if you can [decently] use Heavy Missile Launchers then the frigates are not too much of an issue. Just kill them first while speed-tanking everything else.

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So I would like a recommendation on what ship I should aim for. I'm planning on doing Caldari PVP since it's just a waste of time to go any other race for PVPing.


Being able to use the Blackbird (and its T2 variants) will endear you to many allies/fleets and make you loathed by all of your enemies/targets. I hear nice things about the Hookbill too.
THE LAUGHlNGMAN
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-01 01:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: THE LAUGHlNGMAN
Thank you ShahFluffers for the reply.

I'm also wondering, what ship should I PVE with and should I bother leveling its weapons to T2? I'm doing level 4 missions at the moment and planning to go into null sec later for some more isk farming.

Well what I mean to ask is what I should level in my skills? All the standard missile skills are level 4 now and I can use T2 mods for tanking. I'm a bit lost on what I should be leveling and what ship I should be aiming for. I got the prerequisites for the Hookbill and the Blackbird.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#4 - 2011-10-01 03:59:57 UTC
THE LAUGHlNGMAN wrote:
I'm also wondering, what ship should I PVE with and should I bother leveling its weapons to T2? I'm doing level 4 missions at the moment and planning to go into null sec later for some more isk farming.

Well what I mean to ask is what I should level in my skills? All the standard missile skills are level 4 now and I can use T2 mods for tanking. I'm a bit lost on what I should be leveling and what ship I should be aiming for. I got the prerequisites for the Hookbill and the Blackbird.

As mentioned before, a Raven is a cheap and efficient mission runner and ratter. Another path to train for could be a Tengu, although they're expensive. As you noticed, heavy missiles can hit frigates a lot easier than cruise missiles. T2 launchers allow you to use T2 missiles, which do a LOT more damage to battlecruiser and battleship rats - so it greatly reduces mission time.
Generally training for T2 weapons allows you to use T2 ammo, which does more damage or has a far greater range (like barrage for guns and scorch for lasers).

For the rest there's a lot of handy skills you can train to IV or V that will benefit all your ships, like:
> shield skills;
> capacitor skills;
> navigation skills (speed is also part of your tank) and spaceship command;
> fitting skills (electronics, engineering, weapon upgrades, adv. weapon upgrades) and rig skills;
> drone skills so you can use T2 drones;
> some social skills to increase your mission rewards.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2011-10-01 08:02:52 UTC
THE LAUGHlNGMAN wrote:

Well what I mean to ask is what I should level in my skills? All the standard missile skills are level 4 now and I can use T2 mods for tanking. I'm a bit lost on what I should be leveling and what ship I should be aiming for. I got the prerequisites for the Hookbill and the Blackbird.


Bear in mind that the "prerequisites" put on every ship on describe the minimum skills needed to fly it. There are a plethora of other support skills (as described above by Jennifer) that enhance the abilities of the ships you choose to fly.

Since you seem to be geared towards flying Caldari missileboatsand doing level 4 missions I suggest you do the following:

- focus your efforts on...
--- both the specific missiles skills (Cruise Missiles will help you in using the Raven) and the support ones,
--- drone skills,
--- capacitor skills,
--- shield skills.

Level 4 is a good place to aim for and if you can get them to 5, even better.
More than that... fit your ship to make maximum use of its abilities and bonuses. Many fit the Raven to be as ganky as possible with defense as an afterthought (i.e. fit so it has enough tank to survive until the incoming DPS is wiped out).
CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#6 - 2011-10-01 15:46:42 UTC
Back in the day, I found the Cerberus and Nighthawk to be great mission ships. Yes, the damage output on both is significantly less than the Raven but they just tank so effectively that it makes mission running a little more fun.

Overall I found the Nighthawk to be great fun, uses heavy missiles and has a drone bay adequate for taking out frigs.



Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-01 16:40:59 UTC
just a fyi: it takes 21 days to get into a tengu, but you kind of need all the support skills plus the subsystem skills to a high level as well.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-01 19:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
THE LAUGHlNGMAN wrote:
So I have a raven and a drake but I realize I want to specialize in heavy missiles since they're a good all around missile compared to the raven's cruise missiles which can't knock out frigates in PVP. And cruisers tend to be cheaper than battleships.

I'm trying to tear through missions faster but I don't got any T2 weapons. I'm currently training heavy missile operation to V and I'm still not tearing through caldari navy level 4 missions with my drake easily. But it still feels like my raven is doing the same work as my Drake. I'm as well planning to go to Null-sec to make some money. I thought I could maybe go for a night hawk but it needs a crazy amount of skills, about 81 days of training for me. And the tengu is 21 days of training, which isn't as bad, but it doesn't have drones.

So I would like a recommendation on what ship I should aim for. I'm planning on doing Caldari PVP since it's just a waste of time to go any other race for PVPing.



you would be better training for a nighthawk for missions

caldari suck for pvp other than the drake or ewar.

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THE LAUGHlNGMAN
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-02 21:52:47 UTC
David Grogan wrote:

you would be better training for a nighthawk for missions

caldari suck for pvp other than the drake or ewar.


I heard that isn't true, I know Caldari aren't good for 1 on 1 but they can still be a good supporters with ecm/ew.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#10 - 2011-10-03 11:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
THE LAUGHlNGMAN wrote:
David Grogan wrote:

you would be better training for a nighthawk for missions
caldari suck for pvp other than the drake or ewar.

I heard that isn't true, I know Caldari aren't good for 1 on 1 but they can still be a good supporters with ecm/ew.

The Nighthawk is a nice ship but it takes very long to train (Cruisers V, Battlecruisers V, Leadership V) and doesn't do as much DPS as for instance a Tengu.
The one thing Nighthawks are used for a lot is L5 missions because they can fit a very nice passive tank which isn't as vulnerable to energy drains as Active tanking Tengus or Ravens.

For the rest it's true that Caldari only has a few outstanding PvP ships compared to Minmatar and Amarr but there's a few very useful ones indeed. Be prepared to be primaried a lot in your ECM ships though ;-)
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#11 - 2011-10-03 13:58:51 UTC
Blackbird, Rook and Falcon are all flying coffins, but that is due to how effective they can be. The Drake is a fine gang ship for PVP, but at some point, it's in your best interest to consider some race with turrets as a secondary focus. For Caldari, considering you'll likely have a lot of missile support skills, a side trek into Amarr and their line of Khanid ships will be fun for you.

For your Lv 4s, follow the herd, get a Raven and train up T2 Cruise then get a CNR. The Drake is just too slow for Lv 4s. If you're set on using the Drake for PVE isk-production, fly it into a C1 or C2 where it really shines. Nice tank, adequate DPS and very affordable hull when you eventually get the loss mail.

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