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Did CCP get it wrong when they made this game?
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#1 - 2012-05-06 14:39:43 UTC
From the original introductory movie:

"Four races...torn apart by two horrific wars. When all that remained were the smouldering ruins of lost cities and shattered lives, a universal truce was declared to end the despair. For more than a century the races of EVE have coexisted in relative peace. Prosperity and the pursuit of wealth govern the mission of mankind."

Y'see, I am not convinced this design or structure was the correct path to take.

Wouldn't it be better with borders and lines on maps that actually had meaning?

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-06 14:42:35 UTC
Well, come Inferno, the borders will actually change due to sovereignty being what FW fights for, not meaningless "occupancy".

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Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#3 - 2012-05-06 14:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Wasn't EVE bought by CCP from those who first created it?

Yeah, it was. Simon & Schuster Interactive might have had the vision you mention.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#4 - 2012-05-06 14:46:23 UTC
One person with a stick enters the sandbox and draws a line in the sand. "Guys? I think we should pick teams based on this line."

Suddenly, out of null space comes a hundred male Mallard ducks and pummel that person in to the sand. They then take his stick and draw an outline of his body in the sand for the CONCORD inspectors to help them with their murder report.

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2012-05-06 14:47:23 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Wasn't EVE bought by CCP from those who first created it?

Yes they bought it from the toot fairy.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#6 - 2012-05-06 14:53:05 UTC
We realized that war is bad and became friends?

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-05-06 15:02:16 UTC
Before playing I assumed that the four races would be separated completely with low/null between them.

It does seem odd that you can safely travel between them.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#8 - 2012-05-06 15:06:42 UTC
Chribba wrote:
We realized that war is bad and became friends?


Without war we would not need supercarriers and without supercarriers we would not need a third party service.
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
#9 - 2012-05-06 15:11:38 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Before playing I assumed that the four races would be separated completely with low/null between them.

It does seem odd that you can safely travel between them.


Same here. I actually think it'd be awesome if you had the 4 empires separated by null-sec, with a hotly contested low-sec border region between Amarr / Minmatar and a similar low-sec region between Gallente / Caldari.

Then make some materials unique to each of these empire regions and voila, you have the basis for trade and conflict to control trade routes.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#10 - 2012-05-06 15:17:17 UTC
Aron Croup wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Before playing I assumed that the four races would be separated completely with low/null between them.

It does seem odd that you can safely travel between them.


Same here. I actually think it'd be awesome if you had the 4 empires separated by null-sec, with a hotly contested low-sec border region between Amarr / Minmatar and a similar low-sec region between Gallente / Caldari.

Then make some materials unique to each of these empire regions and voila, you have the basis for trade and conflict to control trade routes.


This actually sounds kind of cool as an initial thought.
Aron should flesh this out an put it in F&I section.
Then we could get input as to the pros and cons

Nothing clever at this time.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#11 - 2012-05-06 15:18:13 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Chribba wrote:
We realized that war is bad and became friends?


Without war we would not need supercarriers and without supercarriers we would not need a third party service.

Right, if only CCP didn't nerf drone bays then we could keep mining...

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2012-05-06 15:21:31 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Wasn't EVE bought by CCP from those who first created it?

Yeah, it was. Simon & Schuster Interactive might have had the vision you mention.


CCP bought EVE back from Simon & Schuster.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2012-05-06 15:22:34 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Wasn't EVE bought by CCP from those who first created it?

Yeah, it was. Simon & Schuster Interactive might have had the vision you mention.


Wrong. Simon & Schuster Interactive published EVE back in the early days but since they were terrible, CCP bought back the rights and here we are.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#14 - 2012-05-06 15:25:41 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Before playing I assumed that the four races would be separated completely with low/null between them.

It does seem odd that you can safely travel between them.

Why would it seem odd. Wouldn't Empires like to have semi safe trade routes for goods?
Edward Anthony Cullen
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-06 15:32:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Edward Anthony Cullen
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Well, come Inferno, the borders will actually change due to sovereignty being what FW fights for, not meaningless "occupancy".


Supposedly only for those in FW
Ive seen that question asked in a thread about it earlier and that was the conclusion.

MadMuppet wrote:
One person with a stick enters the sandbox and draws a line in the sand. "Guys? I think we should pick teams based on this line."

Suddenly, out of null space comes a hundred male Mallard ducks and pummel that person in to the sand. They then take his stick and draw an outline of his body in the sand for the CONCORD inspectors to help them with their murder report.


so Goons were never in High? That Isler person said something to the effect they were lol

Chribba wrote:
We realized that war is bad and became friends?


wasnt that called the DCF?
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-05-06 15:35:04 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Wasn't EVE bought by CCP from those who first created it?

Yeah, it was. Simon & Schuster Interactive might have had the vision you mention.

Did your mom drop you on your head as a baby? It was published by Simon & Schuster. What CCP purchased was distribution rights so they could self-publish.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-06 15:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Kreshant
Corina Jarr wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Before playing I assumed that the four races would be separated completely with low/null between them.

It does seem odd that you can safely travel between them.

Why would it seem odd. Wouldn't Empires like to have semi safe trade routes for goods?


You don't normally trade with people you're at war with it.



** corrected that 'you're' due to a terrible education that was all my own fault.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#18 - 2012-05-06 15:51:08 UTC
Joran Dravius wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Wasn't EVE bought by CCP from those who first created it?

Yeah, it was. Simon & Schuster Interactive might have had the vision you mention.

Did your mom drop you on your head as a baby? It was published by Simon & Schuster. What CCP purchased was distribution rights so they could self-publish.


Ok. Just saw everywhere saying "By Simon & Schuster Interactive" when it was first released, with no mention of CCP at all.

And maybe you should try more fiber in your diet.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-06 15:54:48 UTC
*you're
Actually, since there's a grand total of four factions, and they're ALL there is, i suspect trade would keep going in any case.
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#20 - 2012-05-06 16:02:32 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Aron Croup wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Before playing I assumed that the four races would be separated completely with low/null between them.

It does seem odd that you can safely travel between them.


Same here. I actually think it'd be awesome if you had the 4 empires separated by null-sec, with a hotly contested low-sec border region between Amarr / Minmatar and a similar low-sec region between Gallente / Caldari.

Then make some materials unique to each of these empire regions and voila, you have the basis for trade and conflict to control trade routes.


This actually sounds kind of cool as an initial thought.
Aron should flesh this out an put it in F&I section.
Then we could get input as to the pros and cons


This has been proposed just about since EVE first started up. Every time it is brought up, the high secers scream bloody murder about it...
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