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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-05-05 00:34:47 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Cierejai wrote:
Invest in gold


I was so close to investing heavily in gold when it was at 800, then i talked myself out of it. I now grimace every time i see it continue to rise.

Hard assets are the most secure, by far, but i don't think gold is going to double again.

The price has been pretty steady at 1600-1700 USD for the past few months.

Once things start going bad in China, and Europe keep sliding to oblivion, I think the price will go up, 2500-3000 USD for sure.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-05-05 00:40:14 UTC
Jett0 wrote:
Cierejai wrote:
Invest in gold, none of the experts says its a big speculative bubble.

But make sure you don't physically hold the gold, get a piece of paper that says you own it.

The demand for jewelry and high end electronics is keeping the price high, the recession is a lie.


I'll be honest, the commodities market scares me. I don't understand what causes the value to go up and down, so it's hard to form an exit strategy.

Commodities are kind of complicated. That is why most people stay with precious metals. Precious metals are easy to understand.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#23 - 2012-05-05 02:58:25 UTC
Jett0 wrote:
Brokerage services aren't too bad. You have to shop around to find what suits you best.

Right now I go through USAA for the retirement account, and ChoiceTrade for the general stuff. Flat $5 commission per trade, and they don't screw you over on the penny stocks.

As for what you hold, how did you receive them? Do you have actual paper, or was this digital?

Ahhh fair enough, do you know off hand if those services trade on international exchanges? I'm in aus so i'm trading on ASX atm

Yeh I have it on paper, received some small dividends and then changed my option to reinvest in stocks, so I have a few more than what is on the original document.

Funny story, those shares were bought at the peak of the GFC bubble (they're financial stocks), I wanted to sell them about a month after I got them. Told by all and sundry that I'd be an idiot to do that and should hang on to them, 3-4 months after that the GFC hit, my stocks crashed, and they're currently less than half the value of when I received them :/

Moral of the story? Follow your gut.

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-05-05 03:09:52 UTC
Good question on the international exchanges. I'll have to look that up.

For your story: Ouch...

Here's one for you. A friend used to have Apple stock. Before the iPod. $79 a share then.

Occasionally plays sober

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-05-05 04:45:57 UTC
Jett0 wrote:
Good question on the international exchanges. I'll have to look that up.

For your story: Ouch...

Here's one for you. A friend used to have Apple stock. Before the iPod. $79 a share then.



Hehe, I told everyone to buy Bank of America right after their stocks dropped but they all laughed at me... a week later boom, stocks back up.

I told them I played Eve P

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-05-05 07:28:44 UTC
I'm reading this thread nodding my head saying I knew all these things would happen, too... but my dumb ass has never touched stocks. I remember commercials for Ameritrade, and one time in high school my teacher handed out the wallstreet journal, which I drew stuff in the back of. That's about the end of my knowledge.

What's the best way to get into this? - Is there any particular rip off I should try to avoid?

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-05-05 07:32:27 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:


What's the best way to get into this? - Is there any particular rip off I should try to avoid?


E-trade is pretty good, just do some checking on a company's past before investing. It's just like checking market history in eve and reading dev blogs to predict what will happen

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Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-05-05 14:58:37 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Hehe, I told everyone to buy Bank of America right after their stocks dropped but they all laughed at me... a week later boom, stocks back up.

I told them I played Eve P


I saw the exact same thing. I got greedy though, and tried to ride the spike... which then fell right back down.

Afterwards I learned about trailing stop orders. Roll

Occasionally plays sober

Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-05 16:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
If you want to play it safe and do not expect giant profits over night I would suggest silver.
Silver is a rare metal that is actually consumed by the industry (unlike gold, most gold gets recycled).
Concentrated solar power plants are build in more and more countries, and require an enormous amount of silver for their mirrors.
Should economy crash (again), silver is still a precious metal, so it will retain most of it's value.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#30 - 2012-05-05 17:56:40 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
If you want to play it safe and do not expect giant profits over night I would suggest silver.
Silver is a rare metal that is actually consumed by the industry (unlike gold, most gold gets recycled).
Concentrated solar power plants are build in more and more countries, and require an enormous amount of silver for their mirrors.
Should economy crash (again), silver is still a precious metal, so it will retain most of it's value.



This is the best info here. I have 1/3 of my retirement tied up in silver certificates. Good thing about it is, if I lose my job I can sell my silver certificates if I need to get some money right away. I view silver as more of an inflation proof savings account. Where as Gold is an actual investment.

Not to mention to you younger folks, you can start a silver hustle with very little money. Buy a 16 ounce bar once a month or a couple of 1 ounce coins each month and then see what it sells for at the end of the year. I guarantee that silver will buy more at the grocery store at the end of the year than that Federal Reserve Note will.
Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#31 - 2012-05-05 18:00:13 UTC
Jett0 wrote:
Cierejai wrote:
Invest in gold, none of the experts says its a big speculative bubble.

But make sure you don't physically hold the gold, get a piece of paper that says you own it.

The demand for jewelry and high end electronics is keeping the price high, the recession is a lie.


I'll be honest, the commodities market scares me. I don't understand what causes the value to go up and down, so it's hard to form an exit strategy.



Demand + supply = price going up or down.

Pretty much all there is to know about precious metals. Speculating demand on Gold and silver is pretty tricky but when it boils down to the bottom of the pot precious metals are always going up because money is always going down.
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-05-05 19:40:28 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
If you want to play it safe and do not expect giant profits over night I would suggest silver.
Silver is a rare metal that is actually consumed by the industry (unlike gold, most gold gets recycled).
Concentrated solar power plants are build in more and more countries, and require an enormous amount of silver for their mirrors.
Should economy crash (again), silver is still a precious metal, so it will retain most of it's value.


Not the first time I've heard this.

Occasionally plays sober

VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-05-06 00:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Silver (and othe rprecious metals/materials) is not only easy to store, certain people/groups store LOTS of it for others.

You think you're going to make bank when some price goes up, but all that's happening is the contractors who would build said power plants with said silver, go to the people who store the silver for you.

The guy at the stockpile makes a phone call and the price spikes a little bit. People sell, and the stockpiler is the one who's buying the silver that's ALREADY THERE in their stockpile. When they have bought enough to meet the contractor's needs, they sell it to them at a markup, and they start dropping the price back to wherever the market had it before. It may have already left on a truck before you think you're so brilliant selling when the price is high for a small profit.




It works for both parties because of transportation. Even if you store your own silver they can't buy 10oz from you and 50oz from her and 100oz from him until they have a power plant worth and drive around the country picking it all up...

If silver ever WAS going to truly spike, the stockpiler would be the one who knew because it's his business to know, and since he has the stockpile he's the one they call, and he'd stop selling and only buy until eventually he owned his own stockpile to sell. If he didn't have enough money to buy the whole thing, no problem, he sells what he does own and keeps buying his own stockpile from the people he's holding it for and selling it to those demanding it marked way up, and again if it was that valuable they'd buy from him so they could pick it all up in one place... and then the stockpiler would start stockpiling something else.

You see the price going up and down, buy low and sell high, and think you're really slick but you can't make real money that way because if you did the person brokering it would be losing money and the system wouldn't work in the first place. You can only make within the margin they give you and if you have enough capital to make that worthwhile you're better off doing other things with it.

IMHO You need to work with intangibles (to be on even footing with the big fish.
Replace silver with whatever other nonperishable commodity you want.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-05-06 16:38:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jett0
Sounds like "free" insider trading for the stockpiler.

Edit: As if on cue - Gold Investing

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