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Thanks for Ruining Incursions
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Celestial Blue
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-04 23:55:25 UTC
I dont like to mine...mission running can get old after awhile...

So incursions was the only way I could efficiently make isk and meet many local people on my public teamspeak.

Now after the nerf...No one wants to do them...All the incursion channels are dead...and getting a fleet up is near impossible...and the payout is ridiculous considering you make nothing while wasting your time trying to clear 1 site.

Change it back to the way it was but just decrease the payout...why change it to where you have to clear the entire room?

It should be give and take...not take and take...

Good payout and getting them done fast -> what CCP did was Lowered payout and made them take forever to clear...

Why not Decrease payout but leave it the same OR keep the payout the same or slightly increase it and make it where you have to clear the room.

Why do all the negatives? Not 1 good thing came from the nerf.
Dave J Hunter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-05 00:03:43 UTC
I agree....

I trained to basilisk just so I can get some fleet action and interact with other player. I really enjoyed incursions but since the update is been dead.

CCP please rebalance incursions.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-05-05 01:12:35 UTC
Roll
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-05-05 01:21:05 UTC
see how good the incursions in lowsec/nullsec are, maybe they're okay
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-05 01:47:12 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
see how good the incursions in lowsec/nullsec are, maybe they're okay


Nope, they are also pretty crap.
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-05 02:18:35 UTC
aww, are all your VG blitz fits useless now? poor you.
incursions are doing just fine, some people left because it's not a thoughtless isk faucet, but most of the people are still running them, just with different tactics now.
get into a nice battleship, and you'll get into a fleet. ask for fits for whatever ship you can fly and can afford to lose if it does happen, and you will probably get a half dozen different effective fits.
I fly a kronos on my main, since I have it fit to be a fleet assistance ship, I get an invite pretty much as soon as I put up my fit.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-05 03:10:01 UTC
Uninstall EVE and cancel payments.

Win/Win!

CCP doesn't a dime, you don't get to waste your time in the only PVE environment that was worthwile where you would interact with someone other then hitting your F1 key to activate guns.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#8 - 2012-05-05 03:49:36 UTC
Incursions was a load of crap out of the gate. CCP should just remove them entirely until they can find time to do them how they should have been done in the first place, dynamic interesting events where there's the possibility the Sansha can actually win and pod pilots can choose to side with them. There's no appropriate place in EVE for Themepark PvE raids... I'm glad less people are doing them, shows it was just about the ISK for most anyway.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-05-05 10:47:27 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Incursions was a load of crap out of the gate. CCP should just remove them entirely until they can find time to do them how they should have been done in the first place, dynamic interesting events where there's the possibility the Sansha can actually win and pod pilots can choose to side with them. There's no appropriate place in EVE for Themepark PvE raids... I'm glad less people are doing them, shows it was just about the ISK for most anyway.



Wow, I couldn't disagree more. Incursions were a great idea.. but I never thought of it more than an occasional random event that some people made a career out of.

Out of the gate, very interesting. In the long run too formulaic and prevelant.

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-05 14:08:57 UTC
How could you not have enough money? Incursions pumped so much ISK into the economy that we were borderline hyper-inflation.

What could a Hi-sec player possibly need to buy that would warrant the spending of that much money?

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Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#11 - 2012-05-05 15:46:53 UTC
While incursions were a tad op for generatign cash, they got nerfed hard and basically made them non viable unless your in a legion/pirate battleship. On the 23rd i started doing incursions for my first time ever in a plain megathron and earned around 600m in about 6 hours. the next day they got nerfed, which was needed in my opinion but not to the extent CCP nerfed them. So from going to rinsing VGs with a legion fleet iv gon to not being invited to a fleet for upto HOURS on end, effectivly giving the average joe in his t1 battleship a -95% payout.

"get a vindicator" well i was planning on getting a vindi but my income was going up so slowly after the nerf due to the blitzers only wanting legions and pirate ships that i abandoned the whole incursion idea altogether and just go about doing sig sites and wormholes every now and then.

They nerfed VGs in 3 areas, less pay, more ships, and the requirement to kill all the ships. I think they only needed to do two of these.
Perhaps the added romis and the pay nerf may have been enough, nerf the pay but require to to kill all ships but not adding romis would also have been enough. But ccp went way over the line on the amount they needed nerfing and instead of the "10% payout nerf" which was all they said they were doing they infact gave vanguards a -60% pay out nerf by stealth. like taking a sledge hammer to knock a drawing pin into a hard wall.

And i am quite frankly suprised they have not been rebalanced as of yet. quite shocked that ccp just smashed it to bits and then walked away asif justice was served. i cant quite emagine whats going to happen to the drake when that gets nerfed lmfao.

It needed to happen but not to the extent CCP nerfed it.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#12 - 2012-05-05 16:30:59 UTC
Don't want to do them cause I find them really stale.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-05-05 20:24:09 UTC
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
While incursions were a tad op for generatign cash, they got nerfed hard and basically made them non viable unless your in a legion/pirate battleship. On the 23rd i started doing incursions for my first time ever in a plain megathron and earned around 600m in about 6 hours. the next day they got nerfed, which was needed in my opinion but not to the extent CCP nerfed them. So from going to rinsing VGs with a legion fleet iv gon to not being invited to a fleet for upto HOURS on end, effectivly giving the average joe in his t1 battleship a -95% payout.

"get a vindicator" well i was planning on getting a vindi but my income was going up so slowly after the nerf due to the blitzers only wanting legions and pirate ships that i abandoned the whole incursion idea altogether and just go about doing sig sites and wormholes every now and then.

They nerfed VGs in 3 areas, less pay, more ships, and the requirement to kill all the ships. I think they only needed to do two of these.
Perhaps the added romis and the pay nerf may have been enough, nerf the pay but require to to kill all ships but not adding romis would also have been enough. But ccp went way over the line on the amount they needed nerfing and instead of the "10% payout nerf" which was all they said they were doing they infact gave vanguards a -60% pay out nerf by stealth. like taking a sledge hammer to knock a drawing pin into a hard wall.

And i am quite frankly suprised they have not been rebalanced as of yet. quite shocked that ccp just smashed it to bits and then walked away asif justice was served. i cant quite emagine whats going to happen to the drake when that gets nerfed lmfao.

It needed to happen but not to the extent CCP nerfed it.


Thats not CCPs fault, thats the incursion community being a bunch of elitistminded dicks just as they always have been.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#14 - 2012-05-05 23:16:51 UTC
Personally, I am actually glad to see that Incursions got the massive nerf that they deserved for several reasons:

- Maybe it will finally shut off the massive ISK Faucet that had been generated by the Incursion-bears who were ****ing stupid enough to turn something that was meant to be specialized events into a career only to cry and stamp their little feet when the mere mention of them being taken away or nerfed came up

- Maybe it will stabilize the hyper-inflated economy that most of the stupid*** Incursion bears had no understanding of, because they figured they'd just grind Incursions and make massive amounts of ISK, without there being any mean of sinking said ISK, thus causing hyper-inflation, and a stagnation (which kept the prices at ridiculous levels)

- Maybe the little "shiny fleet elitist" bears will finally realize that if they tried half the **** they do in an Incursion fleet in a real fleet, that they'd have their ship ripped apart around them and now recognize themselves for what they are, the bottom of the food chain

- Maybe now that Incursions are severely nerfed, some people will actually find a means of expanding subcareers, or come with ideas that they could give the CSM or CCP for doing this

I'm surprised though that I haven't seen an overwhelming wash of Incursion Bear tears all over the forum from them crying because they now have a bunch of fits that are utterly worthless to do anything else, and most of them don't even know how to generate ISK by themselves.

Incursions were the problem, and now it has been resolved.

Good riddance I say.

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Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2012-05-05 23:49:15 UTC
Its almost like no one else has started a thread about this.

You're such an original thinker.