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I think Id like to see a way for the wardecced corp to win other than wait for the deccer to get bored.




At the onset this seems like a good thing, that is until you hear what the players in game have to say about it. So far I have heard more then once "welp, we will just have to bring more neut RR". Like it or hate it, the Neut RR game mechanic has been around for so long that players have forgotten how to do it any other way. They feel like they need it like a crutch, and they will not be giving it up so easily.

Know how I see this getting fixed? CCP's usual ham fisted technique.

Making it an exploit

Or CONCORDable
Or like WoW, making the healer a target

They wanna make wars more meaningful keep the mercs idea and make it so that when a war starts you cant dock

This will be a - imo - very proper solution if you ask me.
About time that neut rr gets dealt with.

You wanna field logi's? have them in your alliance or corp.
Assisting people at war when you as character should have no involvement in said affairs can use good punishment.

As far as the propsed new dec mechanics is concerned:

Increased dec fee? Fine, screw the stupid +member fee @ 500k.
Make deccing small corps more expensive and less appealing, make deccing semi big to big corps/alliances reasonable.

Unlimited allies? The ally system is good, but the possibility of a corp rallying everyone as they see fit without restriction is stupid. When you're a merc group or basic griefer gang, it's will be nearly impossible to get the job done since every killhungry HS PvP'r will be on that ally system like Oprah on a baked ham.
How CCP doesn't see this themselves is beyond me.

This will result in a massive increase of either:

Suicide gank-merc or griefer outfits to avoid the ally system all together by not deccing a target to begin with.

Mercs/Griefers bringing an obscene amount of RR to a fight with a ratio of likely 3 Logi's to 1 DPS ship.

It obviously isnt set in stone yet, but these are concerns that should be looked into.

EDIT: Also, statements in the OP are things I agree with back to front. And not simply because we fly under the same banner.

Or maybe Goonswarm whined that their pets were in danger from this new *** mechanic, so DevGod made sure Goonswarm could still protect it's pets.

So a police/military force is now a "broken mechanic".

All human history indicates you are functionally ********.

As for the new mechanics, you know the completely broken ones.

No way would CONCORD even protect the Goons after "burn Jita" or Hulkagadeon. They'd all have SEC Status -10 and Concord would go after them.

But DevGod has instead decided that CONCORD would love them and protect them above all others and make it cost billions and billions to shoot at them.

And Goons need that. Because the loss of a few Logi's sends them into hysterics. They aren't the "bold frontier gunfighter" they are the corporate suck up that runs to the boss whenever something the least bit unpleasant happens to them.

Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.

I completely agree with the first sentiment of the OP. The wardec cost structure is a joke. It would cost a 12-member corp billions to wardec the Goons, but it would cost the Goons tens of millions to wardec that corp. How does that at ALL make sense?

I do have some points of contention though:

So nerf logi because you don't like them being used in station games. Nevermind that they're considered balanced EVERYWHERE else. It sounds to me like you're complaining that you can't figure out how to take down logi before they deaggress and dock/jump. Welcome to Eve, sometimes things don't go your way.

You clearly lack imagination if you can't solve the simple problem of killing logis that have aggression.

Get with it , simple as, u wanna war dec people, pay the right price, not 2mil per week to kill off masive corps who like to operate in high sec

eve risk vs reward

even then u dont get to destroy large mining corps because u dont like miners


Its like a wow player hacking blizzard and disbanding every top raiding guild on his server just so they can get more recruits

stupid no?

Your rant is just a *****, a ***** about how u must actually pay to war dec people.

Well good, brilliant, lets see a drop off in idiot griefers who thinks its funny to take out 150man pve corp cause u dont like the fact the ceo knows how to run a sucessful corp where as the most players you can get is 3-9 players who wanna be a big a **** as you ingame. Not to mention that none of the griefer corps can work together because you all act like morons


so pwn, owned, slammed, jizzed and twatted by ccp on u

ha? ha? ha?

am i being abig a **** as you yet or do i need more practice?

@Lady Hofstedar


Clearly you didn't read my actual post, else you would have noticed the part where I fear that these mechanics will buff the griefing of smaller starter organizations, while making larger and stronger establishments less desirable targets and creating near invulnerability in an already safe empire. CCP has somehow managed to get the whole thing ass backwards.



Why don't you put on your thinking cap
Read it again
Then get back to me, alright sweet pee?

Every one loves to gamble. Risk vs Reward. War should be a gamble.

I support the idea of having defenders find ways to end the war, for instance if they do pay off a corp they cant be war decced for a while. It should scale though. Let say your money you ransom from another corp scales to the next time you can war dec them. The more isk, the longer time from when you can war dec them again. But also the down side of that is if the war ends at the end of war declaration and the defender doesn't pay up, you cant war dec them for the indicated time period..

Then it becomes more of a gamble. You really have to know you can hurt enough of your war target entity for your war dec to be worth it. In this situation you really got to be able to twist the knife to the point where the members are screaming for leadership to pay the damn bill and get it over with.

With this mechanic you would also have to be able to declare war longer then one week, corps can stay docked up for a week easy and not have it crimp there style isk wise.

Corp a decs Corp b: 3 Month long war, ransom is 10 Billion isk, 3 month retainer, 30% value of ransom payed to initiate un refundable.

Corp b: still standing at the end of war declaration, hasn't agree to pay.

Corp a: Cannot declare war again on corp b for 3 months.

Had corp B agreed to pay, they would have had 3 months of there lives back, and the war decers would have left with there initial investment plus 7 billion in profit.

If the cost of war decs is based off of what your trying to extort from the other corp for and not there membership size war deccing becomes more like playing texas hold em. Will they hold or fold? How well can you read the man across the table?

Also it might be a good Idea to have the cost of war decs increase depending on the number you have running. You want to initiate a bunch of war decs you will have to pay slightly more for each one after the first one.

Posted this else where thought I'd bring it up here as well.