Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think one change that might help the sandbox would be to remove mining as an 'active' profession, and add it to PI. People already feel that most miners are bots, and most miners would agree that a lot of their time is semi-afk, because it has to be to stay sane.

I'd suggest making minerals one of the items you can get from PI. Different planets get different minerals, different secs get different minerals, etc. The mining skills would give you better yields. The exhumer skills, etc. would all lead to more minerals. The mining ships could be re-purposed into other things - Mini-freighters, earlier logi ships, whatever.

You can allow the mining skill to allow for a basic planetary command center, so that rookie pilots can still start with mining for a bit of isk to start out. It would allow them to set it up though, then actually do stuff with other people. Go out and do missions, try out pvp battles, exploration, whatever they want to do without sitting and looking at rocks.

I really think if mining is set up more like PI, it solves a lot of problems. It allows CCP to manage resources. It gives pilots other choices that don't lead to afk gameplay. With merc squads coming, it gives the griefer/ganker an opportunity to do something besides ganking mining ships. It allows miners to get out and take part in more parts of the game.

It would also cut the subscriptions by a larger percent as most people who actively mine have multiple accounts. As for AFK or bot miners, I am sure there are some but I doubt that there are many.

Wouldn't matter at all.

PI -> 3 characters per account -> 1 for hi-sec, 1 for low sec, 1 for 0.0.

Everyone could spam everything.

Pretty sound reasoning for your response, brings a lot to the discussion.

Try again....

Mining is a valid and legitimate profession....just telling us it needs to go away because of bots (never mind the fact you obviously never read or did your research on that subject and your just BS'ing your way into a paperbag and back out again) is not sound reasoning....its stupid.

Prue and simple.

PI is NOT mining....more like a hobby at that point.

PI pales in comparsion at that rate....and the fact people can leave the PI planets cooking and not check in for days makes botting look like kindergarden if you want to get techincal at that rate. Your going to make it a very big problem with your so called idea.

PI right now isn't lucreative "on auto pilot" to make it lucreative you have to give it a great deal of attention....and then you arrive at the same problem people keep using as a lame assed excuse.

"Mining is a soul destroying profession" or boring...or lame...or whatever.

And your missing my point....you don't know what your talking about.

You said most miners "Feel"....well let me tell you something...I "Feel" that your full of crap.

And your going to tell me it doesn't matter what I "Feel".

Welcome to my world...because your feelings don't mean ####.

What means alot here is facts.

My lovely Wife does PI when she plays EVE...I've watched her do it repeatedly....and most of her time is spent waiting.

How can one make a conclusion that PI would be better than Mining with the reasoing your giving is outrageous.

As I've mined in all areas of EVE...high sec...WHS...0.0....at least those who mine with brains...being AFK is dumb.

Your prone to getting ganked...taken out...attacked..ambushed....etc.



And if you have done your homework...youd realize that the botting is a thing of the past...people can claim...predict...make their accusations...but CCP is cleaning house....and we've said repeatedly that just because it looks like it..doens't mean it is.

Who are you to judge a profession is boring or needs to be removed???

Maybe you should go mine for a bit yourself..study up on industry...learn what it takes to manufacture.

And if you hate it..then go PVP and let the pro industrialists do what they do best....in your so called "feeling" of boring work.

My argument is your breaking the game with your idea....and that's the bottom line.

We do not need a new bot force...or an easy button for mining.

If you think its boring..then stop...go blow #### up like everyone else. Same to your so called friends.

If you can't come up with an counter-argument to that...then you have self destructed yourself to near impunity.

Thread moved to F&I at the OP's request.

I don't get why you think removing mining is a good idea.. you'd rather see a more bot/like PI mining...? not me. I like mining the way it is. It is a profession you should be taking an active role in. It does not demand your full attention all the time and that's the good thing about it. The way it is it does take effort to do and your should be rewarded for that effort and risk (yes I say risk even in high sec)