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Jovians.

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Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#1 - 2012-04-24 13:31:32 UTC
Why did they disconnect their region from the rest of The Empires? Also, do they openly interact with The Empires now or are they still very reclusive? Will they ever reopen their region?

Lastly, whats the population of their empire?
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-04-24 16:42:55 UTC
1. They disconnected their space because, frankly, they wanted to be left alone and the rest of the cluster wasn't looking to good on being willing to agree to leaving them alone. Vak'atioth probably didn't help much on convincing them that open borders was a good policy either.

2. The Jove had a delegation at CONCORD; however, they may not have interacted through this bureau for some time. Arguably, the last time the Jove hand was at work in the cluster was during the distribution of the Apotheosis unique shuttle a few years back. The last time there was direct, open Jovian interaction between the rest of the cluster was some 5+ years ago, during the old live events.

3. Will they ever reopen their region? Well, considering there are many hints that the Jovians are either moved on from their current territory or gone entirely, it seems unlikely. Even if the Jove are there, the rest of the cluster is populated by a bunch of squabbling empires who can't stop arguing even when they are all invaded by a megalomaniac cyberneticist, and all interspersed by several hundred thousand nearly-immortal independent beings piloting immense starships with nothing stopping them but their own whims. A significant fraction of these have apparently succumbed to either megalomania of their own or complete psychosis.

Would you open your borders?
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#3 - 2012-04-26 00:37:14 UTC
In that perspective, no I certainly wouldn't. Smile

Thanks for the response!
Paintchk
Facepunch Industries
#4 - 2012-04-26 11:43:23 UTC
They were once open too the other Empires, but when the Amarrs invaded the Joves(And got their ass's kicked Twisted) they cut off connection. They are a peaceful culture and wanted to remain that way. But the likeliness of them opening the gates is unlikely. Either to remain isolated or their dead from their disease they have had for age's.
Katalci
Kismesis
#5 - 2012-05-03 06:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
Fear may be why they haven't reopened their regions -- I don't think that the Jovians could take on capsuleers head-to-head. The last time we heard from them, they had four titans, and I don't see them building any more just to sit around and do nothing. While their subcapitals are certainly fearsome, I doubt that their navy is in the same state it was at the time of the Amarr war. They have a disease to fight; they don't want to worry about cloaked capsuleer cyno hictors waiting to gank them just for the fun of it.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2012-05-03 07:51:06 UTC
Well, for one look at what the Amarr tried to do at Vak Atioh.

Jovian technology is a high prize, and their dwindling numbers may cause some to think "I like those odds" as the Amarr did.

**Vherokior **

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#7 - 2012-05-03 15:52:07 UTC
During the sansha Live events a while back, it was hinted that Nation had an active presence in Jove space. To this date it is unknown if it was an occupation or shelter. There were reported fights in jove space, but according to data recieved, not against the Jove!
This has increased the mystery around the Jove, did they truly vanish, letting Nation take their abandoned space? Or have they called on Nation (who posseses advanced technology) to aid them against an unknown enemy? (the ones the Jove fear)

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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#8 - 2012-05-03 16:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
During the sansha Live events a while back, it was hinted that Nation had an active presence in Jove space. To this date it is unknown if it was an occupation or shelter. There were reported fights in jove space, but according to data recieved, not against the Jove!
This has increased the mystery around the Jove, did they truly vanish, letting Nation take their abandoned space? Or have they called on Nation (who posseses advanced technology) to aid them against an unknown enemy? (the ones the Jove fear)


The Sansha presence in Jovian space was a snafu caused by the dev's mobilising in Jove space before teleporting themselves to incursion sites and players reading more into this than intended.

Given the IG source of this information was location agents, I think it is safe to assume IC that it is Sansha miss-information/propaganda.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#9 - 2012-05-03 18:44:49 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Given the IG source of this information was location agents, I think it is safe to assume IC that it is Sansha miss-information/propaganda.


The picture that the live events team gave to Mouse Nell to release would disagree with you.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#10 - 2012-05-03 19:48:47 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
During the sansha Live events a while back, it was hinted that Nation had an active presence in Jove space. To this date it is unknown if it was an occupation or shelter. There were reported fights in jove space, but according to data recieved, not against the Jove!
This has increased the mystery around the Jove, did they truly vanish, letting Nation take their abandoned space? Or have they called on Nation (who posseses advanced technology) to aid them against an unknown enemy? (the ones the Jove fear)


The Sansha presence in Jovian space was a snafu caused by the dev's mobilising in Jove space before teleporting themselves to incursion sites and players reading more into this than intended.

Given the IG source of this information was location agents, I think it is safe to assume IC that it is Sansha miss-information/propaganda.


We've been running with things as though Nation was there, for what its worth, due to what Morwen just posted. As with all things, we'll adapt when Prime Fiction decides to jerk us around a little more. :(
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-03 21:07:53 UTC
Nation forces -were- in Jovian space, but as far as we can tell they only found abandoned stations; the Jove were long gone.

The most reasonable conclusions we can draw from the PF we have is that they are all gone, or there are so few remaining as to be irrelevant.

They pushed the capsuleer technology on New Eden to further their own goals, as has been suggest elsewhere it probably has more to do with needing augmented capsuleers of sufficient skill-level for them to use to circumvent their desease.

IE let new Eden have the capsule technology, wait about 10 years for them to 'skill up' to a sufficient level to be able to house a Jove consciousness, and then take the clones and implant them with Jovians.

It looks as if they've run out of time, however.

Think of them as the Vorlon from babylon five.





Sabik now, Sabik forever

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#12 - 2012-05-03 22:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Given the IG source of this information was location agents, I think it is safe to assume IC that it is Sansha miss-information/propaganda.


The picture that the live events team gave to Mouse Nell to release would disagree with you.


No, the picture does not, all it proved is that a fleet existed .

The location as Jove space came from locator agents run on True slaves.

It's also been pointed out by devsDED that Sansha were (are) not in control of Jove space.
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#13 - 2012-05-03 23:12:16 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
During the sansha Live events a while back, it was hinted that Nation had an active presence in Jove space. To this date it is unknown if it was an occupation or shelter. There were reported fights in jove space, but according to data recieved, not against the Jove!
This has increased the mystery around the Jove, did they truly vanish, letting Nation take their abandoned space? Or have they called on Nation (who posseses advanced technology) to aid them against an unknown enemy? (the ones the Jove fear)


Do the Jovians fear the sleepers? Or is there another threat we have yet to be informed of?
Azalas
Pixel Knights
Dead Pixels Inc
#14 - 2012-05-07 11:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Azalas
Arkturus McFadden wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
During the sansha Live events a while back, it was hinted that Nation had an active presence in Jove space. To this date it is unknown if it was an occupation or shelter. There were reported fights in jove space, but according to data recieved, not against the Jove!
This has increased the mystery around the Jove, did they truly vanish, letting Nation take their abandoned space? Or have they called on Nation (who posseses advanced technology) to aid them against an unknown enemy? (the ones the Jove fear)


Do the Jovians fear the sleepers? Or is there another threat we have yet to be informed of?





Major Spoilers!!! READERS WERE WARNED!


Have you seen Inception? In that movie, someone could create a dream for the dreamer to dream in... Yeah I get confused too lol

Well the Sleepers created a dream scape for their entire race to sleep and dream while their sleeper drones protected them in wormhole space. Two Sleepers that are active in New Eden that we know of . One is The Broker...(( Sansha Nation found one of The Brokers asteroid bunkers in deep space, alot of info helped Sansha Nation advance and now these Incursions we see is the effects)) The other Sleeper is inside the head of Jamyl Sarum.
Now about The Sleepers. They are ancient Jove. They are the Jovian ancestors and Elders. The Sleepers created all the Stargates, they were the original occupants in the Curse region and they were the ones that destroyed the Amarr fleets at Vak'atioth. The Jove just sat and watched.
Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#15 - 2012-05-07 19:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Gouzu Kho
More Major Spoilers!!! READERS WERE WARNED!


Azalas wrote:

Well the Sleepers created a dream scape for their entire race to sleep and dream while their sleeper drones protected them in wormhole space. Two Sleepers that are active in New Eden that we know of . One is The Broker...(( Sansha Nation found one of The Brokers asteroid bunkers in deep space, alot of info helped Sansha Nation advance and now these Incursions we see is the effects)) The other Sleeper is inside the head of Jamyl Sarum.
Now about The Sleepers. They are ancient Jove. They are the Jovian ancestors and Elders. The Sleepers created all the Stargates, they were the original occupants in the Curse region and they were the ones that destroyed the Amarr fleets at Vak'atioth. The Jove just sat and watched.


hmmm thats not entirely accurate, I believe.

1. Vak'atioth was most certainly the jovians crushing the amarr fleet. It happened before the events of apocrypha, and they gave the gallente video evidence of their mothership 1-shotting amarr battleships so the amarr could not deny their defeat.
(see the Theodicy novella)

2. The sleeper inside Jamyl Sarum is not a real sleeper, it is an AI construct created or emergent from the sleeper virtual reality. It does not have a physical body to go with its mind, and because of that is considered an outcast by the sleepers themselves.

The sleepers also didn't create all the stargate, the ancient Jove where far from the only race to come through the EVE gate. And of all those races the Jove where the least technologically advanced.

To answer the question from Arkturus McFadden, there is no evidence that the jove and sleepers are at war, but from reading Templar One, I did get the impression that the Jovians feel, or felt, that the sleepers (or the them the architects) abandoned them to their fate when the jovian disease hit them.

Their real enemy, that has only been hinted at, are the Enheduanni, who are also related to the ancient Jove when they came through the EVE gate (the sleepers where the architects, the Jovians the people, and the Enheduanni those chosen to take care of all the sleeping jovians and architects during the journey to their new worlds). Their motives are not very clear to me, in TO it is said they see themselves as the caretakers of all humans now, and manipulate all the races.

At least thats what I got out of reading templar one.
Dkamanus
Comando Brasil
#16 - 2012-05-17 02:51:41 UTC
Does CCP has any plans to extend the Joves to any action in-game? I feel like they are simply a gimmick lost in a whole lot of stuff CCP put on the game, and they are BEHIND the backburner. Looks like to me.

Gouzu Kho, you saiu Templar one. Is there any other reading I could do to grasp a little more on the Jovians and how they work on the universe?
Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-17 05:59:02 UTC
Dkamanus wrote:
Does CCP has any plans to extend the Joves to any action in-game? I feel like they are simply a gimmick lost in a whole lot of stuff CCP put on the game, and they are BEHIND the backburner. Looks like to me.

Gouzu Kho, you saiu Templar one. Is there any other reading I could do to grasp a little more on the Jovians and how they work on the universe?


^this. i'd love to see more Jove-related stuff in-game, since they're more or less nonexistant. sure, they have some stations in hisec and what not, but aside from that it feels like they've been abandoned.

and if involving the Jove in the universe more is an impossibility, at least do something with The Society. They're even more of a mystery than the Jove, aside from that one chronicle and the SOE epic arc. That and their ships look amazing.

"Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron

Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#18 - 2012-05-19 20:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gouzu Kho
Dkamanus wrote:
Gouzu Kho, you say Templar one. Is there any other reading I could do to grasp a little more on the Jovians and how they work on the universe?


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Theodicy_(Short_story)

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forsaken_Ruins

are the short stories I know where the jovians are involved and actual characters, you can also do a little digging about admiral ouria and veniel.

As I see it they are very much a background race atm and I would also like to see them expanded, but its probably not very easy for ccp. There are tons of threads with them and it must be hard to keep their mistery going if you're going to put them out in the open.

Templar one was rather direct with its information about the Jovians, felt a bit like an info-dump in a way. But it pretty much confirmed a lot of the hints you can find when reading the descriptions of sleeper items.
Doctor Carbonatite
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-25 23:23:40 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Given the IG source of this information was location agents, I think it is safe to assume IC that it is Sansha miss-information/propaganda.


The picture that the live events team gave to Mouse Nell to release would disagree with you.


No, the picture does not, all it proved is that a fleet existed .

The location as Jove space came from locator agents run on True slaves.

It's also been pointed out by devsDED that Sansha were (are) not in control of Jove space.



Actually, IIRC, the only station in the game with the model shown in the Mouse Nell picture at that time was HD3-JK 1, Academy of Aggressive Behavior, which implies that the fleet was in fact in Jove space. The Material Institute station in M-FDTD now shares the same model.

Interestingly enough, these two corporations (Academy of Aggressive Behavior and Material Institute), which are the only two I see that use this station model, both use the Material Institute corp logo, both only have one station in Jove space, and are the only two Jovian corporations that do not have listed CEO's (all other Jovian corporations have non-Jove CEO's listed. This includes Jove Navy and Jovian Directorate).
KBTRIPSTA
Bangarang Inc
#20 - 2012-05-26 03:34:17 UTC
When it comes to Templar One, I really wouldn't consider it 'canon' lore. It glosses over too much and assumes way too much that we as capsuleers could never find out. And isn't that what EVE is supposed to be about? Us as players, not the devs/CCP (I think it was a CCP venture?) telling us the exact story, which clashes with what we know and worked out in AJ? There is not a SINGLE piece of evidence that says 'these people were Jovian' in W-Space. The closest you get is that both races used polymer tech, but we use polymer tech, does that make us Jove now?
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