EVE General Discussion

Leave a comment if you think Eve Online is awesome.

It was the most tremendous game I've ever played.....4 years ago. Not so much now.

Why does every think negative of the eve today, just think about the positive things accept what ccp has done. Change is good sometimes.

Exactly. Change is good.

They remember how CCP used to change the game all the time and always for the better. Since 3 years back? They made little to no changes and the ones they did? Either entirely uninportant (Planetville, sansha zombies, a-crappy-room-to-sit-alone-in-doing-nothing) or for the worse (sanctum nerf, JB nerf).

Granted, the sanctum nerf and JB nerf might be part of a bigger plan. However it would have been better to have something to REPLACE THEM WITH before... you know.. NERFING them.

That's cause they were never intending to replace them with anything.

You sound like a "0.0 bear" to me lol

It is CCP's and the CSM's opinion that 0.0 was too easy with the infinite sanctums and the ease of travel with a JB Network. I mean really, who would use a JF if they can just use a normal one on the JB network?

Honestly love EVE, but now that they APPEAR to be starting to get back on track i may be slowly starting to love CCP again, only time will tell after october, and then further after the Winter Expansion...

Wish I was around in the "old EVE days"..

I am a "0.0" bear I have hairy chest.. and hairy legs.. and i also stink a lot if i don't bathe at least twice a day..


But anyway. jokes aside.. both nerfs were problematic at best and downright disastrous in some senses. JB nerf introduced another annoyance in that capital pilots are trapped inside their own systems if its cynojammed. You leave, but you don't return for quite awhile... The rest of the argument i agree with.. since a proper alliance has its own JF service.

Now the sanctum nerfs sorry, it did not work.

It worked in the way some people wanted it to work.. those people wanted other people to make less money because they think that wanting to make money sucks and they want people to PVP in T1 cruisers because they can't afford to lose anything more expensive until they have years of practice and experience... I for one LOVE going one-on-one with a noob flying a Sacrilege, for instance hehe. So i don't get that.



But CCP didn't wanted it that way. CCP's goal with the sanctum nerf was for it to cause big alliances to start giving up space by the dozens and only focus on some "good-truesec" pockets, while the smaller, independant and new alliances take their share of crappy-truesec space. Go back and read greyscale's original devblog, thats exactly what he says.

Did that happen? Pffffffffffttt... heheheeeehhh... no! lol...

Big alliances don't hold space because of its truesec! They could care less about sanctums! They take space because of the moon goo!!!

And after said nerf, did you EVER tried to live in one or two crappy-truesec systems (i'm talking below -0.4) with 12, 20, 30 alliance mates? Its not possible to make any decent amount of money there unless you get all of the systems resources for yourself (the lone forsaken hub that appears.. when its not bugged. Or the belts for you to chain.. and hope someone else doesnt ruin the chain). And mind you.. that is AFTER you spend billions upgrading the system.

All in the meanwhile... looking back at high sec.. what happened? "OOH LOOK! CCP just buffed missions!!!!". So one can make a CRAPLOAD of ISK in high-sec doing missions with maximum security, and can only make crappy isk in null-sec if he doesnt happen to live in >-0.4 systems. is this the correct risk vs reward ratio in EVE? You know i havent found one single person who defends sanctum nerf who can refute that argument.


"So what.. you.... carebear (like calling me that will somewhat insult my feelings but what the hell, right!? ).. who cares.. just do what everyone did before apocrypha and do this and do that and whatnot.." or "HTFU n00b"... Well my friends, then why didn't they removed sanctums ENTIRELY?

Do you remember the price of a T2 fitted harbinger (my PVP volkswagen.. Hey, screw you) before apocrypha!? Know how much that costs now? Huh!? Aproximatly 72.000.000,00 ISK. You try to make 72.000.000,00 ISK in a -0.01 system while living with 32 other people.. Nah.. wont happen. Now you go to high-sec! You can make 1.4 billions in four days, doing as little as 6 missions per day. In a properly fitted and skilled ship, each mission takes from 3 to 10 minutes.


So how the HELL are alliances supposed to go to null-sec live in crappy-space (that big alliances 'supposedly' gave up on... since they have no sanctums... and we all know how alliance directors love them sanctums...) when their new members are doing jackpot upon jackpot in the safety of high-sec.. living in blissfull ignorance of knowing what the adrenaline of PVP is? And not to mention that now not only are these systems nerfed back to pre-dominion, those who live in them have to live with the over-inflated prices because ISK is still being 'magically made' by the trillions somewhere else.




So if you didn't read this wall of text, my take on sanctums basically is this: They should have either removed ALL of them, from EVERYWHERE, or not even touched them AT ALL.


So.. like i said.. read grayscale's original devblog on the subject and you'll see how the current reality is the exact opposite of what the proposed change was. So much so, that now we have talks of the two biggest alliances merging. Yeah i know that was a troll, but just because they don't want to. They could, if they were so inclined.