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vargosion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-05-02 17:57:40 UTC
So I'm getting ready to start flying this ship and I have heard many bad things about it.....so questions to the community, what are its strengths and weaknesses and what are some general tactics (fittings and otherwise) I should use while getting started with this ship. I ask because only thing I have seen about this ship is bad things but I intend to fly it anyways so discuss!

tl;dr strategy (close/long range), fittings, status on a larger scale




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Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-05-02 18:40:25 UTC
The Eagle is generally regarded as one of the weakest HAC's. HAC's are generally regarded as subpar with some notable exceptions (the Eagle isn't one of them)

Long range you can snipe from more than 100km but the Naga does this better and costs less. Short range you could try a kiting blaster Eagle except you aren't that mobile and your Gallente counterpart, the Deimos, will run you down and generally does the blasterthing better.

Before flying the Eagle I'ld recommend flying a moa or a ferox for a while with similar setups.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2012-05-02 18:57:44 UTC
Or you do, what I did for a long time now - hop on the test server, buy the ship for 100 isk, fit it with as many possible things you want to try and see what works best for you.
Usually fitting a ship with tech1 and tech2 modules will only cost you as much as 100 per module slot and so you can try a lot of different approaches until you figure out what you want and what will give you the best results for your goals.

I would suggest, flying the Eagle maybe in some level 3 and level 4 missions on the test server and when you think, you have met your goals, you go to nullsec and give it a few runs against other players in different ships and ship-sizes.

And to quote vargosion,
it is actually a good idea to have a look at the Moa and see, what she can do and then compare it later with the Eagle and see, what got improved and just be creative.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-05-02 18:58:14 UTC
In a snipe-off, the Eagle is like a Zealot that has longer range, lower damage, and a bit bigger signature radius. The Zealot vs Oracle comparison is very similar to Eagle vs Naga.

An Eagle will do less damage than a Naga, but at better tracking and while having a better tank. The tracking can be important if you do something like put an afterburner on it.

However, the Eagle tends to be viewed as underpowered for a few reasons:

  • At, around or under 100 km, it is handily surpassed by the Zealot.
  • It excels at 130-150+ km (does more damage than most ships can do out to that range), but that range of sniping is obsolete because of easy scanning and warping to people at 150 km.
  • Not as good at speed tanking battleship guns as the Zealot is (due to higher sig radius and shield tank).
  • Too slow to kite with or to use as a blaster boat.
  • No drones. A single frigate will kill it at short range.
  • Resist bonus is sort of useless as it shouldn't be taking much fire anyway.


That said, if you do want to try sniping with it, try the Moa and especially the Ferox first. Maybe the Naga as well, but keep in mind the Eagle will be able to hit more things than the Naga can.

Lastly, do not use the Eagle without T2 guns (though this sort of goes without saying).

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vargosion
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-05-02 19:19:23 UTC
Thanks for the quick replies, few things. I have actually flown the Moa a bit and preferred blasters over rails....just cant get over how ****** rails are (better off in a harpy or something similar at that point). Loved the Moa which is why I'm looking into the Eagle but I'm just not to sure on whether to make use of the Eagles natural range with rails even though they do very little dps. I do mostly small gang so sniping at 150km or so is not in the best interest of the group (unless we are all doing it). So for now its a Beagle for me....unless we get some buffs to rails
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-05-02 19:24:15 UTC
vargosion wrote:
unless we get some buffs to rails

All they need to do is increase the minimum warp distance to 200 or 300 km, and suddenly med and large rails are far more useful. They probably won't, though, as that would make the "Eve is real" video obsolete. Any buff of rails at shorter ranges turns them into beam lasers, and that's just boring.

Anyway, this isn't F&I, so it's not the right place to discuss this.

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Tetonica
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-05-02 19:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetonica
If you wanna try beagle you could go to lowsec and try this fit, it's kinda wtf and a bit expensive but you'd have no problems finding guys to shoot at you. Just mind alpha ships and ships with a lot of neuts(2-3 canes). I'd been meaning to try this but I unsubbed before I got the chance

[Eagle, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

/waits for just buy a tengu comments

2nd edit: be fully prepared to lose it if you don't scout religiously and/or set yourself up properly
axxeessee
Trade and Supplies Co.
#8 - 2012-05-02 19:48:57 UTC
Quick rundown

Eagle

Plus (+)
- People will think youre a complete idiot for flying it so they will engage you under pretty much any circumstances


Minus (-)
- Its a horrible ship that is surpassed by far by pretty much any ship in the game