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Reverse Engineering: Success rate change?
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Wales Holland
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-02 08:21:31 UTC
Has anyone else noticed a change in success rate of RE? With perfect RE skills I'm now failing at a rate much higher than ever before. This has been happening every day since the pre inferno patch. I have done RE for years and never have I seen the failure rate so high. Malfunctioning and intact items are failing at rates that approach wrecked items. Stealth nerf?
Cassina Lemour
Staner Industries
#2 - 2012-05-02 08:30:28 UTC

Makes sense, t3 invention salvage has been nearly worthless.
Andy DelGardo
#3 - 2012-05-02 10:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy DelGardo
Cassina Lemour wrote:

Makes sense, t3 invention salvage has been nearly worthless.


Only wrecked, the others are oki compared to the odds to actually get the one out of 4 good BPC and the fail %.

Back to the OP, i noticed consistent rates with wrecked that reflect the 35% chance and with malfunction it also averages to my 55%. Maybe keep in mind that its still a chance bases system, so even 80% can mean u fail 10 tries in a row. Only with very large tries u should average to the % chance calculated.

Little off-topic, but i still find it strange that the actual RE skill has very little influence in the %, while the other 2 science skills amount to much more %. This means that on a intact artifact going from RE2 to RE5 will actually only increase your chance from 81.6% to 84%, thats kinda "mehh" and actually makes skilling RE to 5 nearly useless. I mean 16 days for what a 1% chance change?


bye Andy
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2012-05-02 16:33:53 UTC
I hear the patch broke exploration drops and invention results as well.
Wales Holland
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-02 16:55:50 UTC
With RE V, Mech engineering V, and Plasma Physics V, I'm getting about 1 out of 6 Malfunctioning hull success rate. Prepatch it was 4 of 5. I thought I was having a bad streak, but after losing billions of isk worth of materials in failures, there is something wrong
Prekaz
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#6 - 2012-05-02 17:01:27 UTC
How many billions? Because a billion in malfunctioning hull sections - never mind the rest of the components - is only about 13 runs. You would need many billions before that is statistically significant.
Andy DelGardo
#7 - 2012-05-02 17:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy DelGardo
Wales Holland wrote:
With RE V, Mech engineering V, and Plasma Physics V, I'm getting about 1 out of 6 Malfunctioning hull success rate. Prepatch it was 4 of 5. I thought I was having a bad streak, but after losing billions of isk worth of materials in failures, there is something wrong


Make your test at least 100-500 malfunction runs, 6 tries is hardly statistical evidence :) Also keep in mind, u still have a 37% chance to fail per try. I finished around 100 malfunction RE jobs the last couple of days and it somehow matches my RE chance and i don't call 100 tries statistically relevant. What i know for sure, is that wrecked work perfectly within its chance limits around 30-35% success chance.

bye Andy
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2012-05-02 17:27:45 UTC
Success rate = base rate * (1 + reverse engineering skill level * 0.01) * (1 + (datacore 1 skill level + datacore 2 skill level) * 0.1)

* Wrecked relics have a base probability of 20 percent and a run count of 3.
* Malfunctioning relics have a base probability of 30 percent and a run count of 10.
* Intact relics have a base probability of 40 percent and a run count of 20.

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Wales Holland
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-03 18:47:06 UTC
yeah yeah... I've built thousands of t3 hulls. RE'd thousands of relics, something is different.
Andy DelGardo
#10 - 2012-05-03 18:57:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy DelGardo
Wales Holland wrote:
yeah yeah... I've built thousands of t3 hulls. RE'd thousands of relics, something is different.


Maybe it only affects Hull RE? I just finished 33 malfunction RE Sub jobs and had a 80% success rate.
Wales Holland
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-04 15:05:57 UTC
I dont build subs, but I suppose I could try it