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Lewis L Vella
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-01 13:36:25 UTC
Hey all.

Brand new shiny EVEling here, tried trial and signed the dotted line one day in.... eek!

I feel like I just started 'big school' - overwhelmed, scared, lonely, confused, I get lost & make **** ups, don't know who to trust and worried I might be bullied and have my dinner money stolen - it's bloody brilliant :-)

But, the best thing, I remember, about starting school was the friends you made. I'm looking for fellow new starters, trialers or fairly new & inexperienced people to make friends and share the experience of climbing this vertical learning curve.

If you feel you'd like to share those early days with a friend be great to chat here, or ingame qnd eventually be great to meet people who'd like to speak via voice chat (my typing is pants in chat channels!)

Be great to hear from anyone who feels the same :-)

Be good.

"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!"

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#2 - 2012-05-01 13:39:31 UTC
I'm not exactly new but still welcome to EVE P
Keno Skir
#3 - 2012-05-01 14:07:30 UTC
Literally one of the best posts i'v seen in ages :)

Not so new anymore either but after nearly a year i still feel new. Learning with people your own level i think is equally important as learning from those more experienced than yourself. One gives you knowledge and opportunity, the other gives you fun and comaradery (sp?). If you ever need any of either feel free to give me a yell by EvE Mail or convo if i'm online. I can put you in touch with players close to your own age at least.

Fly safe man keep up the good ude :)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-05-01 14:51:41 UTC
Welcome to Eve!

I recommend finding a newbie-friendly corporation to get you started. Note the difference between a "newbie friendly corp", which is founded and run by experienced players, but accepts newer players and doesn't mind showing them the ropes, and a "newbie corp", which is run by people with little experience and usually does not fare as well (blind leading the blind, etc). Some good examples are Red vs Blue, TEST alliance, or a smaller corp, like my own. I don't recommend Eve University, as they appear to have some internal organizational problems, and at least from the outside they look like they have a very toxic environment going on.

Now, a few of tips to get you started.

1. Do not be afraid to look info up, or if you can't find it, ask. Despite the "hard" environment of Eve, most of everything is documented, and we do not want to drive away people who can contribute to the game.

2. Don't rush into bigger ships. There are a ton of support skills that improve all ships or weapons. Without those, you will be seriously underperforming in a battlecruiser, whereas the performance loss will be smaller in a frigate (the bonuses from skills are multiplicative). Plus, with smaller ships you can afford to make the mistakes everyone makes while learning to fly and use your ship right. In big ships, that's a more expensive lesson to learn.

3. Don't be afraid of PvP, if you're into it. You don't have to match up to someone in skill points to beat them in combat. A quarter of PvP is your ship fit and skills, a quarter is the general situation and terms of engagement, a quarter is piloting skill, and the last quarter is luck. Especially if you're part of a larger gang of ships, you can have PvP from your first few days.

I could rant all day if I wanted to, but I'll stop here. Hope you enjoy Eve!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#5 - 2012-05-01 15:35:18 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I don't recommend Eve University, as they appear to have some internal organizational problems...
I'm not aware of any organizational problems, in fact we're at well over 2100 active members, and everything is running smoothly.

If you aren't sure though Lewis, please feel free to drop by our public channel 'E-UNI' and have a chat with the guys there, and either way, feel free to use the UniWiki to look up different things.


Other than us, I can certainly recommend Red vs Blue, however test Alliance Please Ignore will likely not accept you into their main corporation (Dreddit) unless you are already an active member of Reddit, and many others will require significant experience.

Apart from that, Petrus' other tips are very good, but I would add the standard "do not fly that which you cannot afford to lose", as well as "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is".
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-05-01 15:52:51 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I don't recommend Eve University, as they appear to have some internal organizational problems...
I'm not aware of any organizational problems, in fact we're at well over 2100 active members, and everything is running smoothly.

There has been a lot of negative press about people being disgruntled with E-UNI recently, and while the individual issues can be dismissed or reasoned away, the existence of the overarching theme of "the leadership sucks" in all these issues raises the possibility of it indeed sucking. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but from where I'm standing I just cannot recommend E-UNI to newbies in good faith. Besides, this isn't the place to discuss this anyway.
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Apart from that, Petrus' other tips are very good, but I would add the standard "do not fly that which you cannot afford to lose", as well as "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is".

True facts there. The first I sort of addressed in the "don't rush into bigger ships", while the latter is also very important due to the presence of scams everywhere.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#7 - 2012-05-01 16:58:03 UTC
You can hang out in my channel if you want. Find out how from my bio.

We got all sorts of people in there from only a few days old to several year old vets like myself. Feel free to make friends and ask questions. And if you mention it we can do a voice chat too. I personally prefer it when explaining complex EVE mechanics myself. We normally aren't on the voice channel but if you poke some of us you can get us on :P

The Drake is a Lie

Sidius Ostus
No Bull Ships
#8 - 2012-05-01 17:01:40 UTC
Lewis L Vella wrote:
Hey all.

Brand new shiny EVEling here, tried trial and signed the dotted line one day in.... eek!

I feel like I just started 'big school' - overwhelmed, scared, lonely, confused, I get lost & make **** ups, don't know who to trust and worried I might be bullied and have my dinner money stolen - it's bloody brilliant :-)

But, the best thing, I remember, about starting school was the friends you made. I'm looking for fellow new starters, trialers or fairly new & inexperienced people to make friends and share the experience of climbing this vertical learning curve.

If you feel you'd like to share those early days with a friend be great to chat here, or ingame qnd eventually be great to meet people who'd like to speak via voice chat (my typing is pants in chat channels!)

Be great to hear from anyone who feels the same :-)

Be good.



Welcome Lewis. Another fledgling flyer here. Feel free to add me. I'm trying to expand my ingame contacts as well. With so many possibilities in Eve, I haven't been able to decide what I wanna do. So I have been primarily leveling combat skills. I'm in a very small corp right now, which is how I like it because I feel like I get more individual attention with my noob questions. I don't have large corp experience to compare it too though, so I will eventually be branching out.

Anyway good luck on your journey, and hopefully we can meet and blow some stuff up!
Lewis L Vella
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-01 18:51:53 UTC
Thanks all for the welcomes & advice, very much appreciated :-)

Not going to look to join a corp for maybe a couple of months until after i've found me feet and built up a few assets to back me up. Thoughly enjoying all I'm learning, soo much in just a couple of days.


Keno Skir wrote:
Literally one of the best posts i'v seen in ages :)

Not so new anymore either but after nearly a year i still feel new. Learning with people your own level i think is equally important as learning from those more experienced than yourself. One gives you knowledge and opportunity, the other gives you fun and comaradery (sp?). If you ever need any of either feel free to give me a yell by EvE Mail or convo if i'm online. I can put you in touch with players close to your own age at least.

Fly safe man keep up the good ude :)



Hit the nail on the head Keno, I appreciate all the advice longtimers & corps can give but I feel that 'comarardary' between peers of a similar level is great - learning together & just the banter on an equal level Big smile

Thanks again guys.

"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!"

Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-01 18:58:14 UTC

Welcome to New Eden.
There are a lot of people in the sandbox.
Some are bigger then you and they will hit you because they can.
The real trick is just finding your own way to hit them back Blink

Your approaching EVE with enthusiasm towards many of the aspects of the game other mmo'rs have difficulty adjusting too. This alone means you'll be having fun in no time. Find a good corp.

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.

Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#11 - 2012-05-01 19:04:13 UTC
An alternative to not joining a corp is to join a corp that isn't really a corp but just kinda accepts whoever for the sake of a chat room and a shared interest. Red v Blue if you want to PvP a bunch, for instance.

More generally you can just talk to us in-game. Anyone that's not trolling or doing something else nefarious on these forums probably posts under a character they actually play (though "main" and "alt" often don't mean a lot in Eve) and we won't be particularly offended if you message us. I've had several conversations with random people that were forum-linked.

Another good idea is to always message people that blow you up or try to blow you up. They're generally willing to tell you what you did that made you a target or why you lost the fight, which gives you a lot of incidental knowledge. Plus, if they're out punching newbies they've probably got nothing better to do than talk.

One of the main reasons people tend to burn out on Eve is that they seem to forget it's a social game. If you've got no social contacts in game, you're going to be bored, whether you realize you're bored or not.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#12 - 2012-05-01 21:59:46 UTC
I can hardly be called a new player either but I'm always willing to answer questions, either on these forums or in game.

I'm also active on Finnish-language channel though speaking English there will get you flamed quickly but I'll assume it would do so on any other non-English speaking language chat as well. P
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
#13 - 2012-05-02 05:45:58 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
.......
I'm not aware of any organizational problems, in fact we're at well over 2100 active members, and everything is running smoothly.

If you aren't sure though Lewis, please feel free to drop by our public channel 'E-UNI' and have a chat with the guys there, and either way, feel free to use the UniWiki to look up different things.


Other than us, I can certainly recommend Red vs Blue, however test Alliance Please Ignore will likely not accept you into their main corporation (Dreddit) unless you are already an active member of Reddit, and many others will require significant experience.

Apart from that, Petrus' other tips are very good, but I would add the standard "do not fly that which you cannot afford to lose", as well as "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is".



If it helps you decide, I found Eve U to be invaluable when I started because I didn't know what I wanted to do. Eve U was full of folk from all interests in Eve and the entire organization was willing to help with all my questions while I started to decide.

Their recruitment forums also led me into Null for the first time. Group engagement goes a long way when you first start out for some.

There are other organizations about who do the same thing, but the experience of finishing the epic arc after a pure solo experience to the screens of waves being welcomed into the learning channel changed my eve experience. made the 'MMO' thing come to life. If you feel lost in space, I would encourage you to investigate all 'newbie' friendly orgs in Eve. Corps/Alliances can make/break your experience.

PvP-wise you may do better in the long run, but only the folk who never experienced it would argue that they don't do a good job introducing new players to the PvP experience ( wars aside that is, though I hear its gotten better ).

Practically anything else you want to know they cover, and their wiki is available for anyone even if they don't join up.

Fly Safe o/

Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-02 07:12:21 UTC
Sorry can't call myself a new player anymore, but wanted to say that I like what you are doing. If you or any new player has any questions I have played many aspects of the game, you are welcome to message me with any questions that are had. No pressure no expectations, I know how hard it was find my feet in eve.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

Toshiro GreyHawk
#15 - 2012-05-02 15:28:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
One thing to keep in mind about people bad mouthing some one else - is that this is a major occupation in EVE.

Someone doesn't like the way someone else does things - and starts a crusade to castigate them.

For organizations that do not accept all applicants - they **** some people off when those people are rejected - and those people carry a grudge against them forever.



Small corporations where someone will take a new person in hand and devote a good bit of their own time to training them - get you some real personalized attention - but then there aren't enough of such corporations to go around.


A large organization devoted towards training lots of new people - and having their own way of doing things - is going to have a lot of people who disagree with them.

The other thing about large organizations - is they attract the ire of lots of little people who want to show that they're just as good as the people in the large organization - by pointing out what they see as flaws in the way that group does things. This is true with Microsoft ... look at all the Microsoft haters out there ...


So - the point of all this is - that if you see some one being bad mouthed - look at what they're saying and see if it's just their opinion - or if there are objective facts involved.

In evaluating any argument - you want to look at all sides before drawing your own conclusions.

The EVE University Wiki would be a good place to start. Even if you've no desire to join them - there's a lot of information there.



Now ... all that said - you don't have to have anybody lead you around by the hand. I didn't. I just dove in and figured things out on my own - which included reading all the information I could get - and that's still what I do. For ME - half the fun is figuring things out for myself. I personally don't give a damn about being rich - I like to learn things - that is what is fun for ME and I learn things better by figuring them out myself. There is a down side to that though - which is that it takes me longer to get things done. So - what you want to do - is do things in a way that is fun for YOU.


Now ... one last thing about this - just because you have a lot of people bad mouthing an organization - it doesn't mean they're wrong either. If some corporation invites you to come on down and join them in Low or Null Sec - and is oh so kind as to volunteer to transport all your stuff for you ... you might want to give that corporation a second thought ... Once your stuff is in another guys ship - it is not your stuff any more ... that ... and when you get down to Null Sec and they blow you up ... you'll have a long trip home in your pod if they don't pod you too.

Here is an example:

Goon recruitment policy enforced.

In this case - the title refers to the Goons policy of only recruiting people who were already members of the Web Site Something Awful, which I understand was posted on their web site as being their recruiting policy. But they would commonly scam people into joining - just so they could do THIS. Please note that it is the Goons themselves who created that video. Also note that the Goons do have some basic training videos on You Tube and some others that are fairly entertaining.


In any case ... you don't want to trust people to completely in EVE as scamming is a big part of the game. That's not to say that there aren't people out there you can work with - just be careful about who you give your stuff to. If someone wants something from you ... they may not really be thinking of your well being.
Nissui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-02 17:14:57 UTC
Hey OP.

Just wrapping up my third week in game, it was kind of rocky at first but thanks to some established players I got my bearings. Like Petrus said, while new to us the game has been around a long time, and there are numerous guides from over the years on all sorts of topics: UI configuration, combat and aggression, scanning, and piracy to name a few. Lots of people have taken the time to create great resources to pick up how things work in EVE. Sometimes one might be a bit out of date but people were good enough to point out those kinds of things.

Even so, I still have to fly by the seat of my pants a lot, but based what I've seen so far I like it that way.

The fascinating thing about this game is that unlike other games where every player and character has the same story, each story here can be unique, and all these unique stories are intertwined.

Yeah, more fun and possibilities to come. So far so good.
ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2012-05-02 17:35:46 UTC
Hello Lewis L Vella,

Welcome to EVE :)

I'm Athechu and I'm with ISD:STAR (Support Training and Resource) of our ISD Volunteer division.

Finding a corporation is not an easy process and it can be long in order to find the right fit. Take the time to research a corporation that you are interested in and don't always take the first invite that you might get. While it is exciting to get an invitation to join take the time to learn to get to know the guys within the corporation.

Look at a corporation that have the same interests as you do. Ask yourself the following:

am I interested in PvP, PvE, Faction Warfare, a mixture?
what career(s) will my pilot pursue?
do I want to be in a particular part of space (low sec, high sec, 0.0)?
is there a group of friends I want to hang out with?

These are important questions to ask yourself because while there is no punishment for leaving a corporation you don't really want to be a "corp hopper" where you are in a corporation for just a few days and then leave. Talk to corporation recruiters and see what they are about and see what they enjoying doing as a corporation. PVP, PVE, Mining, etc...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 is a good place to look for corporations or check out the in-game recruitment channel.

I would also check out http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Joining_a_corporation

I hope that this helped you out while on your journey good luck and fly safe. Feel free to send me an email in-game if you have any other questions.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

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