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Caldari Provisions Caldari State 10
Zmaychek2 Dragons1 Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 10	#1 - 2011-09-29 20:25:12 UTC 1 Oki guys im currently flying CNR for lvl4 missions and im interested can i fit him to be good tank like Drake without losing too much dps, Drake is good but too slow because of low dmg. PS: Please i dont want sugestions of other ships, its CNR and CNR only :)

Dark Steel Industries 249
Linda Shadowborn Dark Steel Industries Likes received: 249	#2 - 2011-09-29 20:48:05 UTC 1 A standard CNR fit can tank just fine while still maintaining a decent DPS. Most lvl 4s will be tanked juust fine with a cnr (though it isnt the same tank as a drake but the higher dps means you tank just fine, and it isnt exactly fragile to begin with)

Aliastra Gallente Federation 2,463
Grimpak Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,463	#3 - 2011-09-29 21:11:53 UTC 1 standart T2 XL booster tank is more than enough in a CNR. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

mxzf

Shovel Bros

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#4 - 2011-09-29 21:11:55 UTC

You do realize that the CNR and Drake have completely different styles of tanking, right? Drake should be passive tanked, CNR should be active tank. With active shield tanks on BSes in missions, you usually don't want to leave your shield booster on all the time and get sustained tank, you just pulse it whenever you need some more shields.

That said, it's better to work on killing the rats before they can get through your buffer in a BS, rather than tanking the damage for a long time. The Drake's style is to sit there tanking the damage and poking at the rats 'till they die of boredom (though they'll never realize they can't break the tank). A BS like a CNR you want to kill the rats before they have a chance to do much damage to you, the tank is just to give yourself some more time to take them out, so you don't need massive sustained tank like the Drake does.


Zmaychek2 Dragons1 Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 10	#5 - 2011-09-29 22:59:42 UTC 1 ok tnx a lot, then can you tell me how to maximize dps on CNR, i have arbalest cruise launchers and im using faction missiles, also i have 3 T2 balistic control (sorry i can copy my fit now im on phone atm) i have 12 days till T2 launchers. i alsi have screen reinforcer rigs do i need to change them and with what?


Linda Shadowborn Dark Steel Industries Likes received: 249	#6 - 2011-09-30 01:43:20 UTC 1 something along these lines That is along the lines you should be going. Im not an expert raven pilot, i quickly gave up on them in favour of the gunships. More fun then counting missiles in my own oppinion :)

stoicfaux

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#7 - 2011-09-30 13:55:56 UTC

Zmaychek2 Dragons1 wrote:

ok tnx a lot, then can you tell me how to maximize dps on CNR, i have arbalest cruise launchers and im using faction missiles, also i have 3 T2 balistic control (sorry i can copy my fit now im on phone atm) i have 12 days till T2 launchers. i alsi have screen reinforcer rigs do i need to change them and with what?

factual statement: This is your goal if you want to maximize your CNR's mission running abilities. Change drones and shield hardeners as required.

[Raven Navy Issue, Level 4 - Liang]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Explosion Dampening Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Bouncer II x3
Hobgoblin II x5

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba

Crunchy Crunchy

Likes received: 251

#8 - 2011-09-30 15:11:20 UTC

stoicfaux wrote:

Zmaychek2 Dragons1 wrote:

Or just get a Golem.

The Underpants Gnomes 6
Pantload The Underpants Gnomes Likes received: 6	#9 - 2011-09-30 17:12:56 UTC 1 FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote: Or just get a Golem. Please re-read the last line of the OP. Thank you

Caleidascope

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#10 - 2011-09-30 19:08:21 UTC

I use

7x t2 cruise missile launchers

1x primary shield resist
1x secondary shield resist
1x 100MN ab
1x x-large shield booster
2x t2 shield boost amplifiers

3x pds
1x cap mod, I think i got cap power relay right now
1x t2 bcu

3x rigor rigs

a bunch of hobgoblins
a bunch of hammerheads

The low slots are utility slots. This version with cap mod and pds in the low slots is more tank. The cpu it tight. If you fit cpu mod, you can fit more bcu instead of pds.

I used to fit 3 bcu in low slots, but frankly the bird felt much more fragile. I wish to fit better quality modules, but that can wait, in my case. Some day I will fit it with some faction modes to free up the cpu.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Kerensky Initiatives 13,374
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives Likes received: 13,374	#11 - 2011-09-30 22:01:08 UTC 1 Pantload wrote: FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote: Or just get a Golem. Please re-read the last line of the OP. Thank you Who cares Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log

Zmaychek2 Dragons1

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#12 - 2011-09-30 22:41:42 UTC | Edited by: Zmaychek2 Dragons1

stoicfaux wrote:

Zmaychek2 Dragons1 wrote:

this is kinda expensive fit dont you think, 1.5 bil without ship and munition
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Signal Amplifier II

Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster
Explosion Dampening Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Devastator Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Bouncer II x3
Hobgoblin II x5
[/quote]
this is kinda expensive fit dont you think, 1.5 bil without ship and munition

stoicfaux wrote:

Zmaychek2 Dragons1 wrote:

this is kinda expensive fit dont you think, 1.5 bil without ship and munition

Zhilia Mann

Tide Way Out Productions

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#13 - 2011-09-30 22:54:35 UTC

Zmaychek2 Dragons1 wrote:

this is kinda expensive fit dont you think, 1.5 bil without ship and munition

Shrug. For a mission ship, not really. The CN BCUs are an absolute must and the only other sorta expensive item on there is the CN booster. If that last bothers you, shop around until you find a better price and/or a better price on a deadspace booster. If you really, really must, drop the T2 rig down to T1.

stoicfaux

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#14 - 2011-09-30 23:35:17 UTC

Zmaychek2 Dragons1 wrote:

this is kinda expensive fit dont you think, 1.5 bil without ship and munition

informative statement: Yes and no. There's no wear an tear to worry about, so the modules don't lose functionality and can be resold like new. A mission runner shouldn't be losing a high end ship. It can also be looked at as an investment in that it helps you accumulate isk and LPs at a faster rate.

To reduce costs, you can swap the 4th CN BCU for a BCUII with a 5 DPS loss. However, you'll run into CPU problems, which will necessitate a hardener for a faction hardener to save on CPU. Or you can drop the sig amp for a CPU module, but there are a few missions where the extra targeting range lets you shoot/blitz earlier/faster. As mentioned previously swapping the Rigor II for a Rigor I can also cut costs.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba

Crunchy Crunchy

Likes received: 251

#15 - 2011-10-01 00:47:02 UTC | Edited by: FlinchingNinja Kishunuba

Pantload wrote:

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

Or just get a Golem.

Please re-read the last line of the OP.

Thank you

Was referring to the cost of the suggested fit. Better spent on the Golem and then salvage worth while stuff in parallel. Wouldn't cost that much more either.

[edit]
Lol just saw the cap booster.....
[/edit]

Zhilia Mann

Tide Way Out Productions

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#16 - 2011-10-01 01:02:26 UTC

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

Pantload wrote:

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

Or just get a Golem.

Please re-read the last line of the OP.

Thank you

Was referring to the cost of the suggested fit. Better spent on the Golem and then salvage worth while stuff in parallel. Wouldn't cost that much more either.

I'm lost. You do know that Golem and CNR are for fundamentally different things, right? Short range kill all versus long range blitz?

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

[edit]
Lol just saw the cap booster.....
[/edit]

Now I'm really lost. What's wrong with the cap booster?

Heun zero

MAYHEM BOYZ

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#17 - 2011-10-01 08:14:41 UTC

I've used a fit like this myself on the CNR:

[Raven Navy Issue, CNR I]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Capacitor Flux Coil II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II

Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hammerhead II x5

it's a rather tight fit on cpu but you can always loose the tractor beam. Generally people dont seem to like the cap flux coil, but I've found that the extra cap recharge rate helps to make my ship more reliable as I frequently forget to turn off my shield booster in time. Atlernatively trhough you can swap it for a PDS or possibly a DC.

Grimpak

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#18 - 2011-10-01 09:25:16 UTC

Zhilia Mann wrote:

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

[edit]
Lol just saw the cap booster.....
[/edit]

Now I'm really lost. What's wrong with the cap booster?

while cap booster setups are viable for pve, you don't really need cap stability in a XL booster setup. all you need is pulse it every now and then.

also, replace cap booster for shield amp.

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Lugalzagezi666 Likes received: 251	#19 - 2011-10-01 09:50:54 UTC 1 You would do better switching sba for another target painter.

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba

Crunchy Crunchy

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#20 - 2011-10-01 09:55:40 UTC

Zhilia Mann wrote:

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

Pantload wrote:

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

Or just get a Golem.

Please re-read the last line of the OP.

Thank you

Was referring to the cost of the suggested fit. Better spent on the Golem and then salvage worth while stuff in parallel. Wouldn't cost that much more either.

I'm lost. You do know that Golem and CNR are for fundamentally different things, right? Short range kill all versus long range blitz?

FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:

[edit]
Lol just saw the cap booster.....
[/edit]

Now I'm really lost. What's wrong with the cap booster?

Golem can match CNR on a cruise fit and due to the 100% bonus on damage fitting faction missiles are more cost effective (yes I understand that defence missiles can ruin this). Obviously you would favour a torp boat on most missions but I guess you can cruise it up if you need the range.

Boils down to the OP asking for something which can't be done, as said before

Drake = hands off passive tank boredom.

CNR = Eyes open active tank management.

Short answer to the OP is no, buy a Tengu or a Rattlesnake.

And regarding the cap boosters, if you need them you ain't got the correct skills. Just another cost to mission running and if I can do the majority of Lvl4s in my normal Raven without them a CNR should be easy as pie.

I understand that you are wanting a quick fix for the cap instability but pulse tanking (what the Raven does) should mean you don't drop all your cap.

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