These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123
 

Terrible launcher is terrible.

First post
Author
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-05-01 01:55:59 UTC
Citrute wrote:
Dyner wrote:
I completely missed the point

Its great you use 5 clients on one monitor, I am glad you also needed a wall of text to describe how to patch, instead of a single, simple line like it used to be.
I'm happy for you. I really am, its awesome it works for you, but this thread isn't about your non issues with the new launcher.


The launcher also interferes with the ability to take advantage of aero and the way windows handles taskbar grouping. (Look closely, there are two groups there) I cannot achieve this if i start my clients with the launcher. grouping 'by monitor'

I'd really like to have a dialog about this, It's a pity the only dev response's have been to lock the thread or post a smug remark.




Toshiroma McDiesel, that is directly related to UAC, simply turning it off will solve those issues. (or running the application as administrator)


Dual monitors...

*I just broke down the simple steps. In short, I patch once and run 5 times, with no need to worry about corruption.

*I start mine via the Launcher and my stuff is grouped: http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/Simulo/EVE_multiclient_ftw-1.jpg
-From the text and the pic I'm assuming you want the game clients to be grouped?

As for settings the easiest is to set the "default" to say "Performance" preset and then manually change the one client you want to use as your Primary to say "Memory" or "Quality", just make sure to exit that one first so it won't overwrite the "Default" setting you want for the rest of the clients.

...why people over-complicate things, I'll never understand.What?

--
I would like to see:

1) The "EVE" folder in My Documents moved to "My Documents\My Games\EVE". No, I will not move it myself...
-Really irritates me that Game Companies still dump their folders into the " \Documents\ " folder. I know it has to do with the fact that Win2k and the like don't have the "My Games" thing...or some other reason. But it's annoying they can't make it "\Documents\My Games\{Our Game}\" with a simple check to see if "My Games" exist. It's been so long since Win2k and XP that I don't recall if Windows would overwrite a folder with the same name or follow the path (aka auto-merge)

2) With the above I want "\EVE\{Account Name}\"
-Inside the {Account Name} I want the settings AND UI Layout (includes Overview stuff) in a nice say XML file that I can copy to the other {Account Name} folders

There's more, in regards to how the client functions, but those are not pursuant to this thread.
Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers
#42 - 2012-05-01 02:29:47 UTC
I really hate to gripe about stuff, but this launcher is just a PITA.

We've had such a good year of Internet Spaceships and Crucible awesome-sauce...then this clunky launcher comes along.

I applaud CCP and the work they've done but the launcher was totally unnecessary. I now have to patch the launcher and the game.

:sadface:

Looking forward to Inferno though! \o/
Mr Stow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-05-01 02:32:33 UTC
This ghodawful launcher has been a brutal experience. Right this moment, I am downloading the game for the 4th time in a week just to get normal access functional. I'm essentially locked out of the game. Some folks may think this nonsense is clever and neccessary, but I'm not impressed. I've got one account. I pay the bill. Launching the game should not require a ceremonial dance, throwing salt over your shoulder, 5 restarts and a prayer to Buddah. Let's get this functional folks.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-05-01 03:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Launcher would be made infinitely more useful if it managed multiple accounts (preferably one install location, but separate settings for each account, ie; different monitors!)

Good news for you haters, you can just disable the thing (nearly)completely and you only see it while there are major eve patches

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-05-01 16:23:46 UTC
@Mr Stow

-Looks like you're just unlucky. What?

OS: Win7 [64bit]
Install Path: G:\Games\CCP\

No issues at all with the launcher, though I did have an issue where my character went purple
( http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/Simulo/wtf.jpg )

How exactly did you setup your game

I would go here: http://community.eveonline.com/download/?fallback=1&

And get the offline installer if you are having issues and forced to reinstall the game. Then just do this for every major release (ie Incarna, Crucible, Inferno).

@Aargolos

The patches you download after launching the game are optional downloads. Unless you're saying you'd rather be forced to use an optional patch that could help most of the playerbase, but totally fucks up your client. In which case, you'd be pretty pissed that the optional update isn't really optional Blink
Mr Expedite
TransHydro
#46 - 2012-05-01 21:12:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Expedite
Shocked

Oh, I finally got the $%#@& thing working. Apparently it is not meshing well with the STEAM launcher. I completely blew the thing out of STEAM and cut the umbilical. EVE is now running out of it's own discrete directory with this blasted launcher. Honestly, CCP, I luv ya, but I don't need the stress.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#47 - 2012-05-01 21:54:18 UTC
Citrute wrote:
WHY DO THINGS CHANGE?


El fixed.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-05-01 22:27:42 UTC
Citrute wrote:
[quote=Dyner]




Toshiroma McDiesel, that is directly related to UAC, simply turning it off will solve those issues. (or running the application as administrator)



Step by step plan for you;

1. TURN UAC BACK ON
2. Check how many virusses/unwanted or unkown processes you have running.
3. ???
4. Faster computer, less virusses.
Citrute
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2012-05-01 22:28:04 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Why does windows still ship with a command prompt!? A GUI does everything.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103148&find=unread


It's amazing how 'doing it the old way' is often the best solution to issues with the new launcher.
Citrute
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2012-05-01 22:35:39 UTC
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:

2. Check how many virusses/unwanted or unkown processes you have running.

0

UAC will not protect you if you click allow/okay.


I sometimes run windows in 'test mode' to run unsigned drivers, too. But thank you for your concern. Computer has been running great since 7 went live.
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-05-02 06:13:03 UTC
Mr Expedite wrote:
Shocked

Oh, I finally got the $%#@& thing working. Apparently it is not meshing well with the STEAM launcher. I completely blew the thing out of STEAM and cut the umbilical. EVE is now running out of it's own discrete directory with this blasted launcher. Honestly, CCP, I luv ya, but I don't need the stress.



Shouldn't cause any trouble Ugh

Then again the Nvidia 285.xx Driver Set cause my home computer to BSoD-loop at Windows Logo, but the comps at work didn't suffer from it.

It's like Russian Roulette....but with software Cool
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2012-05-02 11:54:37 UTC
Citrute wrote:
CCP, please use one method of patching. It is unreasonable and unnecessary to both patch with the launcher, and inside the client itself.


What was wrong with delivering patches in the client and running the repair tool when it doesn't work.



Yes this is annoying. I don't want something to patch, launch, patch again, relaunch.

Either use a launcher that does this or do not.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Kile Kitmoore
#53 - 2012-05-02 14:17:41 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Citrute wrote:
CCP, please use one method of patching. It is unreasonable and unnecessary to both patch with the launcher, and inside the client itself.


What was wrong with delivering patches in the client and running the repair tool when it doesn't work.



Yes this is annoying. I don't want something to patch, launch, patch again, relaunch.

Either use a launcher that does this or do not.


I really don't have a problem with CCP moving to a Launcher but it just seems a little redundant. Most MMO launchers are used to patch, inform, sell and sometimes login and pick a server. The EVE client already did all this anyway, except of course picking a server.

What I don't like is the, "Can I play yet?" feeling. Patched the other day and here was my experience:
1. Launch EVE, the Launcher does not load but I get an update for it. It shows a status bar, finishes then disappears where I am left wondering if the Launcher is going to start or not. Of course it never loads so I start again.
2. The Launcher is up but there is a patch for the actually EVE client now, ok NP, it's doing it's thing. Shows a status bar at the bottom of the Launcher window and when it's complete the Play button is available, clicked Play.
3. At the actual Login screen now but wait there's more, now I have a window pop-up with another patch. I really can't remember what happen after this, I think it did a quick patch and brought me back into the Login screen of the actual client. Now I can actually login and play!

I understand you guys are trying to get it to a point where the Launcher will do everything (regarding updating of the EVE client software) but honestly the Launcher should have never been released until you had that most basic function in place. Now what you have is a confusing mess, and for what? A launcher that is going to display information that I will see logging in with the actual client?
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#54 - 2012-05-02 14:24:34 UTC
Kile Kitmoore wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
Citrute wrote:
CCP, please use one method of patching. It is unreasonable and unnecessary to both patch with the launcher, and inside the client itself.


What was wrong with delivering patches in the client and running the repair tool when it doesn't work.



Yes this is annoying. I don't want something to patch, launch, patch again, relaunch.

Either use a launcher that does this or do not.


I really don't have a problem with CCP moving to a Launcher but it just seems a little redundant. Most MMO launchers are used to patch, inform, sell and sometimes login and pick a server. The EVE client already did all this anyway, except of course picking a server.

What I don't like is the, "Can I play yet?" feeling. Patched the other day and here was my experience:
1. Launch EVE, the Launcher does not load but I get an update for it. It shows a status bar, finishes then disappears where I am left wondering if the Launcher is going to start or not. Of course it never loads so I start again.
2. The Launcher is up but there is a patch for the actually EVE client now, ok NP, it's doing it's thing. Shows a status bar at the bottom of the Launcher window and when it's complete the Play button is available, clicked Play.
3. At the actual Login screen now but wait there's more, now I have a window pop-up with another patch. I really can't remember what happen after this, I think it did a quick patch and brought me back into the Login screen of the actual client. Now I can actually login and play!

I understand you guys are trying to get it to a point where the Launcher will do everything (regarding updating of the EVE client software) but honestly the Launcher should have never been released until you had that most basic function in place. Now what you have is a confusing mess, and for what? A launcher that is going to display information that I will see logging in with the actual client?



Aye exactly I had the exact same experience yesterday. And I just wanted to change a skill *quickly*.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
#55 - 2012-05-02 14:36:57 UTC
What really pisses me off is that DESPITE the fact that CCP clearly stated that they were introducing the launcher to STOP updating in the game client and streamline updates faster and in a more convenient way, they continue BOTH ways of updating.

So this begs the question then... What was the point of the new launcher?
Nejjdat
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-05-02 16:32:38 UTC
What I'd like is to see a launcher that's resilient to unstable/lossy connections. I actually expected this considering there was a statement about it being Bittorrent-like (if I'm not mistaken; I'm not hardcore enough to read and memorize every post/devblog). I want a launcher that won't say, "Oh, your connection sucks so I'll fail and throw an error at the first packet lost." It makes it a bit difficult to patch for those of us who've been sent to, say, Afghanistan or wherever, places that have shoddy communications infrastructure.
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#57 - 2012-05-02 16:41:57 UTC
Terribad launcher hurr
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#58 - 2012-05-02 17:04:20 UTC
Kurai Kihaku wrote:
What really pisses me off is that DESPITE the fact that CCP clearly stated that they were introducing the launcher to STOP updating in the game client and streamline updates faster and in a more convenient way, they continue BOTH ways of updating.

So this begs the question then... What was the point of the new launcher?


They were using the launcher to replace the client doing the updating, not the client updates themselves.

The old process used to be:
1-Open client
2-Get patch
3-Open client
4-Get client patch
5-Restart

The new is now:
1-Open launcher
2-Auto update before even opening client
3-Get client patch
4-Restart

The part at step 2 is what changed. Those patches (not the client side ones) are the ones that CCP wanted to stream line cause they are the vital mandatory ones. Those are the patches that contain bug fixes and crash fixes and such and CCP couldn't put them out very often cause they had to do a big compile into a patch file. Now they can deploy individual files and spit out little updates as fast as they can fix things.

The bit at step 3 in the new process with the client updates is being worked on to be added to step 2 so that there is only three steps:
1-Open launcher
2-Auto patch everything
3-Open client

Big smile

The Drake is a Lie

Citrute
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2012-05-08 20:28:20 UTC
Previous page123