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Thoughts from my time in Empire (Nothing Works)
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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2012-05-02 04:23:20 UTC
i tried it's literally censored
i can however say that Hitler was their leader

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
GeneralDisturbed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2012-05-02 04:30:17 UTC
I find it interesting the amount of people claiming my lack of knowledge of highsec is somehow at fault for the list of things I put on here. Even after having it confirmed by other highsec dwellers. We know Concord and Faction Police are both bugged, because we had petitions to CCP from both and their admittance that they didn't know how to fix the problems. Also other topics by other highsec people discussing being shot by concord because the overview had been changed to display non-wardec pods as a valid target for killing. And the topics about people being concorded for no real reason after attacking us, when we were valid targets.

It's always amusing to see the list of people willing to come into a thread for no other purpose than to insult goons (I see this in every thread from a goon or related to a goon in any way) regardless of what the actual facts say. Since I'm a goon, I'm simply a blobber and a nullbear who couldn't possibly know anything about highsec, so all the issues I listed no longer exist.

If you say there is some way of setting up global standings and such to remove neutrals from the overview in highsec I'll take your word for it, I didn't stay long enough to do it. And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve, I can't imagine the hassle it would be on our diplomats to do so. Which still only confirms my belief that it's a problem, when you can't simply check "Remove neutrals" and everyone who doesn't have standings set in some way though your alliance, is taken immediately off your overview.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-05-02 04:32:18 UTC
You didn't appreciate my subtle and masterfully-executed pun about the resemblance of a WW2-era Soviet premier's name to the present participle of a word meaning "to delay" which contained within it many layers of subtle and ironic humour.

I'm going to add you to my expansive list of people I cry bitter internet tears over.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2012-05-02 04:34:36 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You didn't appreciate my subtle and masterfully-executed pun about the resemblance of a WW2-era Soviet premier's name to the present participle of a word meaning "to delay" which contained within it many layers of subtle and ironic humour.

I'm going to add you to my expansive list of people I cry bitter internet tears over.


it was quite good but i am saddened at the lack of equal censorship of all totalitarian ww2 leaders

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-05-02 04:37:56 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
it was quite good


You have been summarily removed from the list of people I cry bitter internet tears over.

Krios Ahzek wrote:
but i am saddened at the lack of equal censorship of all totalitarian ww2 leaders


So ideally you'd want Churchill, Roosevelt and De Galle censored as well?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#146 - 2012-05-02 07:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Hisec is like the kiddie pool in your local swimming hall. Populated by babies and fat mothers, and decorated by floating poo.

Unfortunately our shopping malls are floating there in the middle of the poo, and sometimes one just has to endure the terribleness. But when that time comes, you just go fast in, fast out and keep your mouth tightly shut.

Only part of hisec pvp that makes any sense is RvB. Only idiots try to do any sort of "real PVP" in hisec.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-05-02 07:46:47 UTC
Poke fun, tease, laugh? Naw...

It's kind of like that movie Waterworld -- "the ground doesn't move" and "land sickness". If you stuck around, you'd get over it in time but it's not too comfortable for you.

Nullsec is different - as different as empire. SOV lands aren't the same as NPC just like highsec doesn't operate the same as lowsec.

The fact that people split k-space into 3 vs 4 -- that is simply "old history carried forward" just like calling it nullsec, null or 0.0 -- "true sec" showing changed that but the old name is still used. Calling it that usually does not refer to just dangerous portions when referenced like you did. Those from NPC space tend to mention the NPC part - often as a sign of pride in the distinction.

You could think of it as "the cowards hide in SOV while the pirates live in NPC". SOV null is often portrayed as some of the safest space in the game. Bots easily automate dock-up when a non-friendly comes into the system and the like.

As such, SOV null is the equivalent to highsec for that space - so some of your comparisons do fit to that extent.

Disabling of viewing flags in highsec isn't smart. You'll find more threats from neutrals than any other type of flag showing in your overview. Blocking blues can work but not the rest.

Just think of it as running with heavily infested AFK cloakers around. They may be dangerous or not. You get used to it.

Wardecs messed up?

Meh... that' is a "work in progress" right now. The mechanics are well understood by those who get involved in them so anything you bumped into is probably nothing shocking to others. Why the hell do you think people said "it's all messed up" for so long? *snicker*

The concord and navy glitches... That could be due to any number of issues. It could boil down to a simply case type clause that validates conditions and is missing one type of response: "not now" - as in a busy/locked process error returned - with a fall through to a default of concordonk.

Then again it might involve muti-threaded processes running separate queue stacks with prioritization of what to do first (transmit data higher than validate target - or whatever) As such, it could be a simple fix, that's tough to find/reproduce, or one so convoluted that fixing it might add lag to all of highsec.

That is programmer crap to deal with and takes source code to know what the hell is what. Good luck to the devs on this stuff - finding sporadic glitches in complex code is ... like a case of hemorrhoids. Not something you want to sit on for too long but that can be tough to avoid.

As you saw; when they think they can fight, some highsec folks will or you wouldn't have stumbled on that glitch.

No, highsec isn't just cowardly carebears anymore than my earlier statement about NPC vs SOV intimated about your home. We do have a lot but so do you - but you don't have glitches like that to put up with. Just afk cloakers and we do get to hear way to much about them on these forums.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-05-02 08:55:39 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve


Pretty sure you have the largest nap train the game has ever seen before, so stop trolling.

Anyways, it has been rather enjoyable to watch you QQ in this thread and see all your other friend run in here to try and help you save face.

Once again, please understand this is a sandbox game and there is many, many different ways to play it. Just because everyone does not think like you and want to play the game the same way you do, does not in fact mean a bad thing.

S A N D B O X.

Like it or don't like it, you got to learn to love it, because that is just the way it is. Big smile
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#149 - 2012-05-02 09:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Corbin Blair
GeneralDisturbed wrote:

IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!

You guys constantly recruitment scamming people who are trying to move to 0.0 probably isn't helping. Although as well known as your scams are I don't feel sorry for the victims. Just saying it's pretty hypocritical to sit there and tell people to move to 0.0 while simultaneously trying your best to prevent people from doing that.
GeneralDisturbed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2012-05-02 09:52:30 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve


Pretty sure you have the largest nap train the game has ever seen before, so stop trolling.

Anyways, it has been rather enjoyable to watch you QQ in this thread and see all your other friend run in here to try and help you save face.

Once again, please understand this is a sandbox game and there is many, many different ways to play it. Just because everyone does not think like you and want to play the game the same way you do, does not in fact mean a bad thing.

S A N D B O X.

Like it or don't like it, you got to learn to love it, because that is just the way it is. Big smile


Nothing you just said had anything to do with this thread, anything I've said, or anything anyone else has said related to the topic at hand. But good job coming into a thread to whine just because it's a goon thread.
GeneralDisturbed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2012-05-02 10:03:20 UTC
Corbin Blair wrote:

You guys constantly recruitment scamming people who are trying to move to 0.0 probably isn't helping. Although as well known as your scams are I don't feel sorry for the victims. Just saying it's pretty hypocritical to sit there and tell people to move to 0.0 while simultaneously trying your best to prevent people from doing that.


I don't know anything about any scams, and have never scammed anybody myself. As for moving to 0.0, regardless of what people believe, goons don't own all of eve not highsec. There's plenty of 0.0 to move into and plenty of alliances to join to live there.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#152 - 2012-05-02 10:25:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
GeneralDisturbed wrote:


IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!

See my sig.

We don't have broken Sov mechanics...

WH's - apparently the only part of Eve not broken...

Edit to Add:

ITT: Goons taking Eve seriously...
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
So from all of us high sec, low sec and w-space players, go **** yourself. We will play the game how we want to play it. Not how you think we should play it.


you're grouping wormhole dwellers with hisec pubbies and the lowsec groups that didn't quite cut it in nullsec
lmao

You say that like Null sec matters.

Most players in the game don't give a dam - most don't follow the news (except what's on the log-in) and most don't pay attention to Null...


But we all have to be butt-hurt about it, because INTERNET SPACESHIPS (and 0.0 ESPECIALLY!) ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#153 - 2012-05-02 10:27:28 UTC
Saw that neat issue you guys had where you had a GM on speed dial. You get the number from SirMolle?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#154 - 2012-05-02 10:29:43 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Alexa Coates wrote:
can you guys stop, no one actually cares.


Sometimes I can't even be bothered to look down before saying ''No.''


It is amusing to watch an alliance who once stood against those with an elite attitude, turn into the very thing they hated the most. You guys are not goons. At least, not anymore.


I find it even more amusing that people think just because we're better than them, we're somehow elite.

Look when it comes to space ships: We're borderline ********. The only reason we win is because our fleets are funny so people keep showing up to them. The fact that we win despite being completely stupid is more of a reflection on how absolutely terrible our enemies are than it is a reflection on how good we are.

So I guess I'm confirming that you don't get us.


You mean this fun !?

http://i.imgur.com/quoUI.jpg

And are the fleets still funs after this campaign of you guys having all your nerd hormones jumping like a maniac when you hear a girls voice ?

http://i.imgur.com/rKrbM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6FxdR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yu3Qe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t0BXU.jpg

Even internally you guys are terrible....
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#155 - 2012-05-02 10:49:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Alt
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
I find it interesting the amount of people claiming my lack of knowledge of highsec is somehow at fault for the list of things I put on here. Even after having it confirmed by other highsec dwellers. We know Concord and Faction Police are both bugged, because we had petitions to CCP from both and their admittance that they didn't know how to fix the problems. Also other topics by other highsec people discussing being shot by concord because the overview had been changed to display non-wardec pods as a valid target for killing. And the topics about people being concorded for no real reason after attacking us, when we were valid targets.


The lack of knowledge everyone's been talking about has to do with all the cases you brought up. The overview config is not the best, but, there's ways to go around it and make it work, you just don't know it. Furthermore, several situations (except 1 that had to be hotfixed) where you ended up screwing GCC/Agression etc, are generally lack of knowledge about how rules of engangement work on High Sec, and you're just blaming it on bugs where there are no bugs (as I said, except for the pod killing with sec status above -5 and no message when attacking).

GeneralDisturbed wrote:

It's always amusing to see the list of people willing to come into a thread for no other purpose than to insult goons (I see this in every thread from a goon or related to a goon in any way) regardless of what the actual facts say. Since I'm a goon, I'm simply a blobber and a nullbear who couldn't possibly know anything about highsec, so all the issues I listed no longer exist.


This is a direct result of 2 things:

a) your own post, you post in such a condescending tone that you'r insulting everyone for instance:
Quote:

Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there.

Well guess what, others look down on goons, as they represent a stereotype that many don't like which leads to 2nd thing.
b) You are a goon, and history tells us goons primary form of human interaction (spoken or written) is or revolves around insults with the intent to harass and/or troll, you don't like it, leave goons.

GeneralDisturbed wrote:

If you say there is some way of setting up global standings and such to remove neutrals from the overview in highsec I'll take your word for it, I didn't stay long enough to do it. And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve, I can't imagine the hassle it would be on our diplomats to do so. Which still only confirms my belief that it's a problem, when you can't simply check "Remove neutrals" and everyone who doesn't have standings set in some way though your alliance, is taken immediately off your overview.


There are no standings and neutrals in overview settings, as I said, system isn't perfect, could be better, you need to go around and make it suit your needs, just add standings to people, alliance or corp or player, there's also tabs where you can change quickly for exceptions and above all you can work with brackets and overview to have 2 different systems of visual queues pending the situation.

Overviews for null are very easy to make, for high sec, not so much, the things you need to pay attention too are different, each require different things to get used to, you're just criticizing high sec because it's harder to setup your overview ? Well others diss high sec because it's easy mode, not so easy mode now is it?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#156 - 2012-05-02 11:08:57 UTC
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing.

Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.

Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. You cannot remove neutrals from your overview, so it only shows these people, because to eve -everyone- is neutral in some form or another. So why even have that button? We also got a ton of laughs out of people getting concorded for shooting us, because the overview doesn't display a reliable difference between pods that can and can't be shot (They're both red lol).

Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful.

Faction Police don't work: We had a lot of trouble with this one. Faction police randomly attacking everything that undocked, regardless of sec status. People that had been concorded getting attacked by faction police even with good sec status. People who previous had bad sec status getting faction policed even though it was good now. Faction police are so wonderfully broken.

Wardecs don't work. CCP does nothing to exploiters of this: Wardec system is a bad joke. You can easily dupe it in so many ways to your advantage. CCP does nothing about this apparently. Highlights from this were losing an entire fleet to Concord, when we shot a wardec fleet... despite getting no concord warning. Wardec pilots who sat on the undock killing us with impunity, because Concord didn't technically recognize them as a valid target, so we couldn't fire back. The -real- highlight from this was a hilarious hour long back and forth conversation we had with a GM, while we were sitting in space tackled by bugged wardecs we couldn't shoot. With no way to do anything but remote-rep each other while they shot us. The GM had -no idea- what the problem was, how to fix it, or what to do about it. Highsec is wonderful~

IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!



Got to agree Jita TiDi was a live beta that showed alot o crap was broken. Expect more crud breaking with Inferno
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-05-02 11:21:13 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:
GeneralDisturbed wrote:


Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.



Sounds more like a problem of people playing on Pentium III's.

C2D Q9550 here but time by time i get black screens on undock even in 0.0 space....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-05-02 11:30:17 UTC
Andski wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
If you can't handle hi sec then stay in 0.0 and visa versa.

Can't be simpler.


"if you can't handle being shot at by wardecs who you cannot shoot back at, stay in 0.0"

... said on of suicide gankers, industrials- and hulks-murders? Shocked

how it feels to be on the other end of gun?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#159 - 2012-05-02 11:58:28 UTC
confirming overview is and always has been a terrible, terrible thing. If one thing needs an overhaul its that.

Preferably the current overview should be poisoned then shot and then put into a ditch to be set on fire to erase all evidence of its passing. After this a new overview should be programmed.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-05-02 12:44:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
Burning Furry wrote:
i'm not willing to risk losing


you know: this is quite a little amount of words to read. Is it your upper limit? Shocked

My 6 years old daughter can read 10-15 words in 1 sentence. You should train more Big smile

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"