Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I love how people like you think that the only thing that matters when it games to graphics is a video card so nothing should lag. It couldn't be your RAM, background programs and processes or even your own internet speed.

Plus how does not giving a damn about FPS or graphics in general make me a gaming noob? The Nintendo DS sold more than any console this generation, the Nintendo Wii sold more home consoles than any other and Minecraft was the most downloaded PC game last year.

Clearly, people don't give a **** about graphics. It's the gameplay that matters.

Lol at Asuka and this guy...

Would you like my system specs?

You already know I have a GTX560 2GB GDDR5, want the newegg link?
8GB of system ram DDR3 1600
AMD Phenom II X4
SSD C: drive

Now will you shut the hell up about system specs? My computer is NOT the problem.

The problem is the ugly gas and dust clouds.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They don't ruin my frame rates, they just make them lower than they could be, AND they are ugly.

Asuka, you don't even back up your arguments. You're just flaming for flaming's sake because you want to sound cool on the forums.

Your first little indecipherable post made no sense, and neither does that last one. If you're going to make a point, make it clearly and say what you want to say.

I dont' care about rendering or frame rates at all. None of that is my concern.

The problem that I'm having is G.D. ambient light coming off of them. It continues to blind me while I'm in the missions or wherever else.
I can't zoom out away from my ship because then the light off the coulds obscures my view of my ship and everything else, and I can't turn my camera because then I'm looking right into the light coming off the clouds and can't see anything.

My only option is to either dumb down my graphics so the coulds aren't so bright and I am able to see everything, or stay zoomed in on my ship where all I can really see is my ship. Both of those kinda suck considering all the new rendering CCP has put in.

[quote=Leto Aramaus][quote=Fredfredbug4][quote=Leto Aramaus][quote=Fredfredbug4]How outdated are your computers? I'm using a 2008 Dell that was meant for media (1080p videos and awesome speakers FTW) and I'm running everything in EVE except the CQ on a healthy mixture of medium and high graphics. The only lag I get is when my internet decides to crap out on me. The FPS will drop just a tiny bit when I first warp into the room but it then quickly goes back to it's previous speed.

Seriously, get something without a floppy disk drive. Or if you can't do that then just zoom out all the way. You pretty much only need your overview and the control panel (if that's what the thing with the modules is called) to run missions anyway.[/quote


If you are playing EVE on a 2008 dell on medium/high then your frames are probably horrific, you are just a gaming noob so 30 frames to you is acceptable.

As I said, I have a gaming tower that runs BF3 on high and my video card is a GTX560 2GB... 30 frames is NOT acceptable to me.

150+ frames is what I get sitting in space at any normal location, with few or no other ships. I am willing to accept 60-100 in plexes and anomalies, but not 20-30.
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I love how people like you think that the only thing that matters when it games to graphics is a video card so nothing should lag. It couldn't be your RAM, background programs and processes or even your own internet speed.

Plus how does not giving a damn about FPS or graphics in general make me a gaming noob? The Nintendo DS sold more than any console this generation, the Nintendo Wii sold more home consoles than any other and Minecraft was the most downloaded PC game last year.

Clearly, people don't give a **** about graphics. It's the gameplay that matters.
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Lol at Asuka and this guy..

Would you like my system specs?

You already know I have a GTX560 2GB GDDR5, want the newegg link?
8GB of system ram DDR3 160
AMD Phenom II X
SSD C: driv

Now will you shut the hell up about system specs? My computer is NOT the problem

The problem is the ugly gas and dust clouds.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They don't ruin my frame rates, they just make them lower than they could be, AND they are ugly.

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If your computer is not the problem, then it's probably your internet speed or ability to connect to the EVE server.

Plus, after about 64 FPS or so the human brain's ability to actually decipher the difference in frame rates lowers drastically. Once you get past 64 FPS the only thing your going to notice are effects like motion blur which EVE doesn't have a whole lot of.

Here is a tool to prove my poin

http://frames-per-second.appspot.com

Make the spheres have the same attributes except for FPS, preferably one at 60 and the other at 120 so you can see what I'm talking about, unless you have completely unnatural eyesight your not going to see much of a difference. The difference between 30FPS and 120FPS is more noticeable but unless you were specifically trying to spot the difference you probably wouldn't notice it.

If gas clouds reduced your FPS to 5 then I could see some cause for concern. But 30FPS and 60FPS are the rates at which most movies, television shows and games are optimized at. I'm actually starting to think you are just trolling now. Out of all the things people ***** about constantly on these forums I never thought space gas would be one of them

I'm just going to leave it at that, I know what your response is probably going to be to this post. Your not going to bring up any valid points, just talk about how awesome your computer (apparently) is. This conversation is just going to go in circles until one of us gets butthurt or bored. I'm bored so I'll just leave you at that.

I hope CCP gives this some thought, an option to turn them on and off wouldn't hurt anybody

+1, especially if that instance turns into PvP.

On a related note, how about making the local sun this annoying? You're going to call "Filters.", but a star's so bright that what you're seeing is the filtered amount. If I remember correctly, the local sun already looks dimmer the further away you are from it, so there shouldn't be a problem with that tactical aspect. Aye, a sufficient counter would be to simply rotate the camera to put the sun behind the viewer, but that'll impact manuevering. I suppose that leaves the factor to which NPC's in PvE situations are going to be affected, but it's time to give 'em a break. Well? A too "deep" tactical option, that'll look out of place when so many others are ignored? Well you gotta start somewhere...

EDIT:



I'd place a bet that a significant amount of people run the client on machines that are on par with the recommended settings (not below as I want to avoid the "Well they shouldn't play" jab), so those people do witness a significant impact on performance when within th gas clouds.

What I believe Leto was trying to point out was the horrendous impact performance of a "useless" (not advocating minimal eye candy here) item - if something twists 200+FPS (or whatever triple digit number it is when fighting NPCs in "clean" space) into 60 then someone needs to do a better job at the graphical optimisation department.

What would really give this thread a credible boost towards actually becoming an issue is if someone with a machine that operates just on the boundary of the recommended specs gave their account.

EDIT 2.0:

From someone with graphical coding experience, how difficult is it to enact an option to remove a specific item; ie, how difficult would it be to implement an option to just remove only massive gas clouds at sites (but not other gassy stuff)?

im +1 with this

ive never paid much attention to my fps, im pretty sure it sticks around 30, with two or three clients open and running,

I hate gas clouds for a completely different rason then fps slowdown or lag.

they make everything harder to see. Bright white light obscures my overview and near everything else as well.



why is anyone arguing against an optional removal of gas clouds/dust?

Most of the clouds just make the screen bright as **** anyways.

What happens when you ctrl-f9 and remove the whole hud? Does the framerate return to normal?