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Why the "Save Jita" Campaign Failed

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Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-04-29 04:37:12 UTC
I highly suspect that Jita shall be there on Monday and commerce shall continue. So what was won and what was lost again?

In pace requiescat
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#22 - 2012-04-29 04:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Zagdul wrote:
What you did do:
Got in on as many suicide fit ship killmails as possible who were dieing to Concord and claimed victory.

What you didn't do:
You didn't save any of the ~50 freighters we killed.

What you should have done:
RR Gangs + ECM Burst suicide frigs.



Our Objectives were met. Yours were not. You saved nothing.







People care about own security status, while goons not because they got 0.0 space, is easy to boost sec status
form -10 to + 5 in 0.0 space in short preiod of time, while people who live in empire are salves of game mechanic, for example player x atempt multiple kamikaze in empire, after one hour he got -10.0ss, form now everyone hunt him form 1.0 to 0.5...

Before this event i plan to use ecm burst scorps or disco bs on my alts, but honestly i fell bad while smartboming and jamming multiple occasional ships - pods and losing to them my sec status.

Dont blame ordinary people, blame concord and those 15 alliance and corporation who wardec them.

Ps.Jita wont burn, fact nothing really happens, and who cares about failswarm ? freighters blow up ? well nonthig new, every day some pops, since CCP introduce freigters to game long time ago...
PPs. Sorry for my horrible grammar.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-29 05:22:20 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
What you did do:
Got in on as many suicide fit ship killmails as possible who were dieing to Concord and claimed victory.

What you didn't do:
You didn't save any of the ~50 freighters we killed.

What you should have done:
RR Gangs + ECM Burst suicide frigs.



Our Objectives were met. Yours were not. You saved nothing.



Always sad to hear a wounded animal bellow just before it dies.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-29 05:25:29 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
Another day dawns.

Nothing appears to have changed.


Prices in Jita are at 300% and rising.

And it's glorious.
flakeys
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-04-29 09:35:46 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Ashrik Tyr wrote:
Someone tell that J4G Zagdul he's never getting in


That is Lord Zagdul of Fade, Duke of Pure Blind, King of J4G's to you sir.



You forgot to mention his goon pet puppet of the year award. Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-04-29 09:38:54 UTC
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.

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ChaeDoc II
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-04-29 09:54:05 UTC
I think high-sec pubbies would've done a better job.

This was Moar Tears/Noir who are basically null sec alts or failed PL pilots along with -A- whose most recent, relevant action was to withdraw their Titans and Super caps from Pure Blind when the residents returned home from deployment.

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-29 09:55:56 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.


Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.

For one, Goonswarm showed that Jita, the beating heart of Highsec, can bleed. And if Jita can bleed, no where in Highsec is "safe."

And no PVP corporation is going to forget that. All of the pathetic bleating from market alts and festering pubbies ("Jita's still gonna be there!1!") will not change the fact that the CFC and Dear Leader Mittani have shown that with a few cheap ships (Thrashers are a few scant million, Tornadoes are only a little more) anyone can take down Hulks, Industrials, Freighters, all in the heart of Highsec, costing billions of isk in damage. And they can do it for hours if not days if they want to.

No, we're seeing a paradigm shift in Nullsec / Highsec relations -- and the silly carebears are too fat, too lazy, too complacent to even notice.

With the Manifesto II making the rounds, it has become increasingly clear that we have to shatter forever the illusion of Highsec as being perfectly safe. Burn Jita was only the beginning.
Shaky Ground
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-04-29 10:24:18 UTC
Xython wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.


Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.

For one, Goonswarm showed that Jita, the beating heart of Highsec, can bleed. And if Jita can bleed, no where in Highsec is "safe.".


Yes, yes, it was very exciting. As a HS carebear I haven't left the station for three days, which has been very stressful. Making in the realm of 100 billion isk in that time has no way lessoned the emotional scarring that I will carry for the rest of my life.

And now the pressures of Hulkaggedon on the heals. How shall I survive when I have all these Hulks ready to sell?

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#30 - 2012-04-29 10:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorn Galen
Zagdul wrote:
What you did do:
Got in on as many suicide fit ship killmails as possible who were dieing to Concord and claimed victory.

What you didn't do:
You didn't save any of the ~50 freighters we killed.

What you should have done:
RR Gangs + ECM Burst suicide frigs.



Our Objectives were met. Yours were not. You saved nothing.







Posting in a thread about chest-beating in a game.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-04-29 10:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Well, who would have thought.

That's such a surprise.......... hahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Edit: Also ... lol @ caring about sec
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-04-29 10:37:13 UTC
Xython wrote:
Burn Jita was only the beginning.


While your information was a great read, this is the only part that made me happy.

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MercenaryBlue
Federation.D'Aldeberan
#33 - 2012-04-29 11:02:36 UTC
Quote:
What you should have done:
RR Gangs + ECM Burst suicide frigs.


No. ECM Burst could hit neutrals, and would only result in getting CONCORD'ed, then losing massive sec status.
Then the lock would break, and it would had accomplished nothing. Try again.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-04-29 11:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Zagdul wrote:
What you did do:
Got in on as many suicide fit ship killmails as possible who were dieing to Concord and claimed victory.

What you didn't do:
You didn't save any of the ~50 freighters we killed.

What you should have done:
RR Gangs + ECM Burst suicide frigs.



Our Objectives were met. Yours were not. You saved nothing.







Whyd "burn Jita" fail the other than killing 4500-5000 ganking ships?
What was it Goons said when ppl were talking about "burn being over?" Oh yeah

"its not over yet"

Or was it lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-04-29 11:49:15 UTC
Xython wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.


Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.

For one, Goonswarm showed that Jita, the beating heart of Highsec, can bleed. And if Jita can bleed, no where in Highsec is "safe."

And no PVP corporation is going to forget that. All of the pathetic bleating from market alts and festering pubbies ("Jita's still gonna be there!1!") will not change the fact that the CFC and Dear Leader Mittani have shown that with a few cheap ships (Thrashers are a few scant million, Tornadoes are only a little more) anyone can take down Hulks, Industrials, Freighters, all in the heart of Highsec, costing billions of isk in damage. And they can do it for hours if not days if they want to.

No, we're seeing a paradigm shift in Nullsec / Highsec relations -- and the silly carebears are too fat, too lazy, too complacent to even notice.

With the Manifesto II making the rounds, it has become increasingly clear that we have to shatter forever the illusion of Highsec as being perfectly safe. Burn Jita was only the beginning.


So the paradigm shift is even more long-winded rants, sorry "Manifestos", appearing on the forums? Goodie.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-04-29 11:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
Xython wrote:
Prices in Jita are at 300% and rising.

And it's glorious.


Eerm, yes, now go check Amarr, Rens, Dodixie, Hek...

Xython wrote:

Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.

For one, Goonswarm showed that Jita, the beating heart of Highsec, can bleed. And if Jita can bleed, no where in Highsec is "safe."


Nah, I think everyone has known that nullsec is a lot safer than highsec for a loooong time...

Xython wrote:
All of the pathetic bleating from market alts and festering pubbieswill not change the fact that the CFC and Dear Leader Mittani have shown that with a few cheap ships anyone can take down Hulks, Industrials, Freighters, all in the heart of Highsec, costing billions of isk in damage. And they can do it for hours if not days if they want to.


Again, common knowledge...

Dodixie > Hek
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#37 - 2012-04-29 11:57:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Xython wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.


Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.

For one, Goonswarm showed that Jita, the beating heart of Highsec, can bleed. And if Jita can bleed, no where in Highsec is "safe."

And no PVP corporation is going to forget that. All of the pathetic bleating from market alts and festering pubbies ("Jita's still gonna be there!1!") will not change the fact that the CFC and Dear Leader Mittani have shown that with a few cheap ships (Thrashers are a few scant million, Tornadoes are only a little more) anyone can take down Hulks, Industrials, Freighters, all in the heart of Highsec, costing billions of isk in damage. And they can do it for hours if not days if they want to.

No, we're seeing a paradigm shift in Nullsec / Highsec relations -- and the silly carebears are too fat, too lazy, too complacent to even notice.

With the Manifesto II making the rounds, it has become increasingly clear that we have to shatter forever the illusion of Highsec as being perfectly safe. Burn Jita was only the beginning.


All of that depends on how the Goononomy actually functions. ie if you need Jita or at least highsec to exchange low man hour materials like goongew, for high man hour materials like t1 minerals, then you will be essentially deconstructing your own ship replacement scheme, and seriously reducing your own ability to project power due to the need to self extract high man hour materials.

ie them tornados aint gunna mine themselves.
Hamshoe
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-04-29 12:01:40 UTC
Xython wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.


Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.


I'm pretty sure "Think" isn't the proper word there. Perhaps "I'd like to pretend..." Would you seriously contend that you've introduced the concept that nowhere is safe?

Please.

The "burning" of Jita turned out to be more akin to a suntan. And the spray-on kind at that.

I'll bet I'm nearly as disappointed as you are.
Harland White
Adventurer's Guild
#39 - 2012-04-29 12:02:30 UTC
Xython wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.


Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.

For one, Goonswarm showed that Jita, the beating heart of Highsec, can bleed. And if Jita can bleed, no where in Highsec is "safe."

And no PVP corporation is going to forget that. All of the pathetic bleating from market alts and festering pubbies ("Jita's still gonna be there!1!") will not change the fact that the CFC and Dear Leader Mittani have shown that with a few cheap ships (Thrashers are a few scant million, Tornadoes are only a little more) anyone can take down Hulks, Industrials, Freighters, all in the heart of Highsec, costing billions of isk in damage. And they can do it for hours if not days if they want to.

No, we're seeing a paradigm shift in Nullsec / Highsec relations -- and the silly carebears are too fat, too lazy, too complacent to even notice.

With the Manifesto II making the rounds, it has become increasingly clear that we have to shatter forever the illusion of Highsec as being perfectly safe. Burn Jita was only the beginning.


Cool story bro.

By their fruit you will recognize them.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-04-29 12:02:35 UTC
Xython wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I propose that Burn Jita last for at least an entire year.


Oh, I think this is going to have repercussions lasting far longer than this weekend.

For one, Goonswarm showed that Jita, the beating heart of Highsec, can bleed. And if Jita can bleed, no where in Highsec is "safe."

And no PVP corporation is going to forget that. All of the pathetic bleating from market alts and festering pubbies ("Jita's still gonna be there!1!") will not change the fact that the CFC and Dear Leader Mittani have shown that with a few cheap ships (Thrashers are a few scant million, Tornadoes are only a little more) anyone can take down Hulks, Industrials, Freighters, all in the heart of Highsec, costing billions of isk in damage. And they can do it for hours if not days if they want to.

No, we're seeing a paradigm shift in Nullsec / Highsec relations -- and the silly carebears are too fat, too lazy, too complacent to even notice.

With the Manifesto II making the rounds, it has become increasingly clear that we have to shatter forever the illusion of Highsec as being perfectly safe. Burn Jita was only the beginning.


Seriously, can we just subscribe to players yet? Xython's posts are always great.

Hello, hello again.
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