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Solo C1 all-in-one ship (is it doable?)

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Miles Parabellum
Core Collapse Inc
#1 - 2012-04-28 13:39:51 UTC
Hi guys

As a supplementary activity, I'm playing with the thought of doing some C1s from time to time.
I don't want to join a WH corp or commit by setting up my own pos.
Instead I want a single ship which is able to scan an entrance and sites, fight the sleepers and salvage them all on its own.
A cloak will be necessary, but it doesn't have to be a cov ops.

Which ship/setup would you recommend me trying out?
I realize T3s are probably best suited, but just for sh*ts and giggles, what other ships are feasible?

I know this is dangerous and probably slow too, but humour me, please :)
Elian Troller
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-04-28 14:10:19 UTC
thinking about doing the same soon.
Like this idea: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/51588-All-in-one-radar-Pilgrim.html
Grikath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-04-28 14:12:09 UTC
Once upon a time we used to hit C1's with drakes.

Highsec isn't "Safe".  Neither is it a playground for bullies and bottomfeeders. So stop complaining and start playing the game already.

Kyros Xero
Xuronautics
#4 - 2012-04-28 14:39:41 UTC
It is definitely possible to use a Battlecruiser for all-in-one solo work in C1s. Drakes are well known for the role, but I'm a big fan of the Myrmidon. When I first started exploring wormholes, I used a fit like the below. I would also carry extra modules in cargo so if I had a stable hisec static I could pop out to refit for more guns and run sites, and then pop out and refit with extra salvage/tractors for clean up. Also, always carried warp stabs so I could refit if I had to exit through lowsec.

If I found a quiet system with a lot of combat sites I would use an industrial to anchor a GSC or two at safe spots with spare ammo so I could continue running sites once I was sealed in.

People tend to not like drones in C1s, but if you're used to relying on them as your main DPS and keeping an eye on them you'll get through it. If you're used to just launching them and then forgetting about them until the end of the fight, the sleepers will eat them like candy.

An addendum about this fit I used back when - nowhere near cap stable. I would turn off my AB and invuln whenever I could.

Quote:
[Myrmidon, Solo all-in-one circa 2011]
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Patterned Stasis Web I

250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x7
Hobgoblin II x8
Hornet EC-300 x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x3

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-28 15:04:38 UTC
You can but it sucks.

You don't make any isk killing sleepers. You only make isk from salvaging and looting them. While you can easily clear C1 sites with a drake and a salvager in the utility high, salvaging the wrecks with one salvager sucks.

Not to mention each second you are in a site, you are at risk of getting ganked.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#6 - 2012-04-28 15:29:13 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You can but it sucks.

You don't make any isk killing sleepers. You only make isk from salvaging and looting them. While you can easily clear C1 sites with a drake and a salvager in the utility high, salvaging the wrecks with one salvager sucks.

Not to mention each second you are in a site, you are at risk of getting ganked.


I'm afraid I have to agree with Derath. You might as well go mine in High Sec, because you will make much more isk with far less risk. There really isn't a large sum of money to be made in C1's and anything you go into with an open high-sec hole you are begging to lose your ship. If you wanted to commit to a couple days at a time in wh's and had two characters I could help you, but one ship in any wormspace is nothing more than a recipe for an adrenaline rush while someone kills your ship.
Omir Kajil
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-28 16:39:40 UTC
For me, when I first started exploring wormholes, a myrmidon worked quite well. Since the main DPS comes from drones, you can equip a cloak, a salvager, and even a tractor beam without compromising your damage output too much.

Setup looks something like this:

Wyrmidon:
[highs]
1 x Sisters probe launcher
1 x Improved cloaking device II
1 x Salvager
1 x small tractor beam
1 x 250mm compressed coil gun

[mids]
2 x Omnidirectional tracking II
1 x 10mn MWD II
2 x Cap recharger II

[Lows]
2 x medium armor repper II
4 x appropriate armor hardeners that provide an omnitank

Rigs are something like a capacitor control unit, an auxiliary nano pump, and... I don't recall what else. Haven't looked at the fit in awhile. Just started playing again, and I'm not at my computer. :P

Drones: hobgoblin II's and three Garde II's work well. Goblins for the light sleepers, gardes for everything else. The sleeper frigates WILL attack your light drones, so be ready and have an easily accessible hotkey for returning your drones to bay. [mine is ctrl + 'r'] Then you can launch them again. Note that the lower the class of wormhole the less the sleepers tend to attack your drones, so in a C1 this is less common. 

The dealing with the drones has been the only painful part of this setup for me. I'll post a more accurate fitting once I'm at my computer.

EDIT: The two previous posters make a valid point. Wormhole ops through hi-sec are risky and you would be better off searching out wormholes in lowsec. And if you already have a cloak equipped as my above fit does...

Anyway, that just means keep hot on the d-scan. Also, if you don't mind sweating an extra bit of micro, you can in fact salvage WHILE you're killing the sleepers. I start pulling the wrecks in the instant I get my first kill. Sleeper BS wrecks can on occasion take forever to salvage with only one salvager, but I don't think you will encounter any in a c1 wormhole. If you do it right you shouldn't be spending more than a couple minutes salvaging once you've cleared the last wave in a c1 site.

Just my 2 cents and experience. :)
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-04-28 17:48:44 UTC
Nendail Smith wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You can but it sucks.

You don't make any isk killing sleepers. You only make isk from salvaging and looting them. While you can easily clear C1 sites with a drake and a salvager in the utility high, salvaging the wrecks with one salvager sucks.

Not to mention each second you are in a site, you are at risk of getting ganked.


I'm afraid I have to agree with Derath. You might as well go mine in High Sec, because you will make much more isk with far less risk. There really isn't a large sum of money to be made in C1's and anything you go into with an open high-sec hole you are begging to lose your ship. If you wanted to commit to a couple days at a time in wh's and had two characters I could help you, but one ship in any wormspace is nothing more than a recipe for an adrenaline rush while someone kills your ship.

It's a question of risk verse reward. You do make a lot of isk from sleeper loot, even in a C1. Mining in high sec solo (no hauler) will net you somewhere around 10m isk per hour in a hulk and you're likely to get ganked. C1 combat sites should net you around 45m isk per hour if you are totally solo. Hence, if you fly a implantless clone (suggested) and a BC you'll make up any loss in about an hour.

With decent skills and a passive tank of 250+ or so in a BC you should be fine. I'd suggest the Hurricane since it has two free high slots and the best dps of all tier 2 BC. I'm not sure I'd bother with a cloak or probe launcher. Find and scan the site out with a cov ops first then return with your BC. Since you'll have more than enough dps from your guns you could fit ECM drones incase you get pointed.
Kyros Xero
Xuronautics
#9 - 2012-04-28 19:30:24 UTC
Just to sate my curiosity, I went and refit my Myrm to that old solo WH fit I posted and ran a C1 (Perimeter Camp) solo, with no fleet bonuses. I tractored/salvaged as I went. My results very closely mirrored the other anecdotal reports: it took me 16 minutes to kill everything, and was completely done salvaging after 18m15s. We've been averaging 17mill+ per site for the past few weeks so even solo clearing three sites in an hour is certainly not horrible income.

Now, I would never ever want to go back to taking that long to clear sites. I had to watch my cap very closely, it's nowhere near as profitable as using dedicated site-clearing and salvaging ships, or bouncing out to refit for the task at hand. But every new pilot I introduced to solo WH work as an option was very pleased by the amount of ISK and fun relative to what they had been doing in highsec.

The profit, the challenge, the risk, the pvp... all that is what makes WHs worth doing... and I think like a lot of things in Eve as long as you fly what you can afford to lose you're much better off diving in and experiencing it than waiting on the sidelines until you have some perfect ship/fit.

Hit dscan every 5 seconds, fit a flight of ECM drones, and get out there Big smile
Flakey Foont
#10 - 2012-04-28 19:50:58 UTC
I always liked a Cane in C1s.
Miles Parabellum
Core Collapse Inc
#11 - 2012-04-28 19:55:47 UTC
Kyros, great reply, much appreciated.
Flakey and other cane proponents, would you care to suggest a cane fit?
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-28 23:19:33 UTC
this here should get you through C1s easily. salvaging lvl5 is mandatory though, otherwise you will lose lots of time waiting for the salvage.


[Hurricane, wh]

425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
Core Probe Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Shield Power Relay II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

I should buy an Ishtar.

Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#13 - 2012-04-29 05:19:11 UTC
Ryday wrote:
Nendail Smith wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You can but it sucks.

You don't make any isk killing sleepers. You only make isk from salvaging and looting them. While you can easily clear C1 sites with a drake and a salvager in the utility high, salvaging the wrecks with one salvager sucks.

Not to mention each second you are in a site, you are at risk of getting ganked.


I'm afraid I have to agree with Derath. You might as well go mine in High Sec, because you will make much more isk with far less risk. There really isn't a large sum of money to be made in C1's and anything you go into with an open high-sec hole you are begging to lose your ship. If you wanted to commit to a couple days at a time in wh's and had two characters I could help you, but one ship in any wormspace is nothing more than a recipe for an adrenaline rush while someone kills your ship.

It's a question of risk verse reward. You do make a lot of isk from sleeper loot, even in a C1. Mining in high sec solo (no hauler) will net you somewhere around 10m isk per hour in a hulk and you're likely to get ganked. C1 combat sites should net you around 45m isk per hour if you are totally solo. Hence, if you fly a implantless clone (suggested) and a BC you'll make up any loss in about an hour.

With decent skills and a passive tank of 250+ or so in a BC you should be fine. I'd suggest the Hurricane since it has two free high slots and the best dps of all tier 2 BC. I'm not sure I'd bother with a cloak or probe launcher. Find and scan the site out with a cov ops first then return with your BC. Since you'll have more than enough dps from your guns you could fit ECM drones incase you get pointed.


Yeah... you're wrong. I'm sorry. You have to consider your scan time, site running time, loot time and hauling to sell time in that isk/hour equation and I assure you, you are not making 45 mil per hour running sites in c1's when you consider it over the long term. If you're interested in doing it because it's "fun" fine, have fun, but I promise it's not better money than minig. ESPECIALLY with an open highsec wh in the system you're running in. Your just waiting to be killed.

And as far as Dscanning, that protects you from the stupid people, but not the ones that really want to kill you.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#14 - 2012-04-29 05:20:24 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
this here should get you through C1s easily. salvaging lvl5 is mandatory though, otherwise you will lose lots of time waiting for the salvage.


[Hurricane, wh]

425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
Core Probe Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Shield Power Relay II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1


I need to move back to high sec and start scanning holes gain, It's good for the KB.
Lenore Leelu
Obsidian Dynamics
#15 - 2012-04-29 08:02:48 UTC
Ryday wrote:
Nendail Smith wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
You can but it sucks.

You don't make any isk killing sleepers. You only make isk from salvaging and looting them. While you can easily clear C1 sites with a drake and a salvager in the utility high, salvaging the wrecks with one salvager sucks.

Not to mention each second you are in a site, you are at risk of getting ganked.


I'm afraid I have to agree with Derath. You might as well go mine in High Sec, because you will make much more isk with far less risk. There really isn't a large sum of money to be made in C1's and anything you go into with an open high-sec hole you are begging to lose your ship. If you wanted to commit to a couple days at a time in wh's and had two characters I could help you, but one ship in any wormspace is nothing more than a recipe for an adrenaline rush while someone kills your ship.

It's a question of risk verse reward. You do make a lot of isk from sleeper loot, even in a C1. Mining in high sec solo (no hauler) will net you somewhere around 10m isk per hour in a hulk and you're likely to get ganked. C1 combat sites should net you around 45m isk per hour if you are totally solo. Hence, if you fly a implantless clone (suggested) and a BC you'll make up any loss in about an hour.

With decent skills and a passive tank of 250+ or so in a BC you should be fine. I'd suggest the Hurricane since it has two free high slots and the best dps of all tier 2 BC. I'm not sure I'd bother with a cloak or probe launcher. Find and scan the site out with a cov ops first then return with your BC. Since you'll have more than enough dps from your guns you could fit ECM drones incase you get pointed.


You are asking for trouble flying solo without a) a probe launcher b) a cloak (if dscan shows other ships and their probes)
Drifnir
Zealots of Bob
#16 - 2012-04-29 08:48:41 UTC
a trick to limit drone aggro:

Fit some ECM (any kind, doesn't matter) and try jamming some random sleeper. That'll go a long way towards keeping the aggro squarely on you, where it belongs.

Have a nice day.

Kestrix
The Whispering
#17 - 2012-04-29 09:09:45 UTC
I liked to use a Domi, drones for DPS you can use your highs for trackter beams and salvagers + a large remote shield repper/cloak/probe launcher. Fit a nice tank on it and your away.

I don't do this anymore though becasue the odds of being ganked are very high.
Pythag Malikai
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#18 - 2012-04-29 13:26:10 UTC
I think the only way to make any real money in a C1 is via mining (and only because of spiking mineral prices), and unless you plan to build a Rorqual in the WH for compression, getting your ore out is going to cause huge logistical problems.

Aside from that, Melted Nanoribbons and Caldari Hybrid Decryptors are the only things you're going to find in a C1 that's worth anything, and salvage/Radar sites are inconsistent.

As far as having an open HS static, while I have encountered problems with it (I live in a C2 with HS/C3 statics), they have been rare. Still, I try to keep the hole closed unless I'm actively using it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-04-30 00:12:18 UTC
Pythag Malikai wrote:
I think the only way to make any real money in a C1 is via mining (and only because of spiking mineral prices), and unless you plan to build a Rorqual in the WH for compression, getting your ore out is going to cause huge logistical problems.

Aside from that, Melted Nanoribbons and Caldari Hybrid Decryptors are the only things you're going to find in a C1 that's worth anything, and salvage/Radar sites are inconsistent.

As far as having an open HS static, while I have encountered problems with it (I live in a C2 with HS/C3 statics), they have been rare. Still, I try to keep the hole closed unless I'm actively using it.


Have you lived in a C1? Mining in a C1 is probably the most annoying thing one can do. I lived in a C1 for about 6 months. I tried a little mining and even just 2 retrievers could quickly generate enough ore to be a complete hassle to try and haul out. Yes you can build a rorqual' but given their cost and the fact it will be in there permanently, you'd have to mine a ton to recoup its cost. Also the big mining ship are also ones that will never leave once brought in.

No the big money in a C1 is PI.

The combat sites aren't too shabby. In 6 months I averaged about 500mil a week in combat sites alone. While that doesn't sound great, you have to factor in the isk/hr which was very high, as it takes very little time to clear the sites when they spawn. I did often have to find other activities to do, as a C1 will just barely spawn enough stuff to keep one person happy. But I had moved in for the overall experience, not just sleeper farming.

Miles Parabellum
Core Collapse Inc
#20 - 2012-05-02 07:04:19 UTC
This turned out to be a very educational thread indeed. Thanks for chipping in with your knowledge, guys :)
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