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Are you a specialist or a generalist when it comes to ships

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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-09-30 15:04:10 UTC
I fly a Nightmare as my money making ship but it took me almost a 15 months to perfect it and that means

Elite core skills
Perfect turret skills
5/5 Battleship skills
perfect light/mid drone skills

Apart from some time wasted training for a hulk i dont fly any T2 ships which is about to change but


1. Do you specialise in a few ships or
2. Do you cross train a lot of ships but not take any of the skills to V


One nullsec alliance said there only reqs were minny Battleship to 1 and large projectiles to 1 for drake busting fleets.


Next set of questions


1. Do perfect skills matter when you are in a big group or
2. Does perfection only matter when you are solo or in very small groups.


training for perfection can be painful as you are limited in versatility on which ships you can fly and it takes a LONG time and if those ships are not what you thought they would be you have wasted a lot of time.

But you can fly everything but not very will then you are only good for large fleet work.


Your very valuable answers please

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Baralosus
Caldari Provisions
#2 - 2011-09-30 15:08:55 UTC
Perfect skills almost always matters. If you had two groups with the same ships and fittings and numbers, but one group had semi decent skill and the other had maxed skills, then the group with maxed skills will always win.

The only time perfect skills begin to matter less is when you have two fleets with different ship types and fittings as well as numbers and tactics being used.

Hope this answers some of your questions.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2011-09-30 15:11:33 UTC
I'm a generalist, because flying the same stuff all day every day is far too boring for me.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-09-30 15:22:14 UTC
I'm specialist in being a generalist.


then again I can fly nearly all sub-cap ships P

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morons.
#5 - 2011-09-30 15:24:13 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:

1. Do you specialise in a few ships or
2. Do you cross train a lot of ships but not take any of the skills to V


Both, really - specialise first, then broaden. I.e. get the support skills and one race maxed out with all the ship classes you want to fly - once that is done, start the next race.
(e.g. if you started with Amarr and maxed that out, cap, drone, navigation armor and shield tanking as well as gunnery support and medium launchers will be perfect - training any other race from there is pretty quick... - applicable to any race one started with, really).

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1. Do perfect skills matter when you are in a big group or
2. Does perfection only matter when you are solo or in very small groups.



I guess it's less important in a blob - especially in ****** alliances that solely rely on numbers. Personally, I'd refuse to fly any ship I can't fly maxed out, but then again, I consider blobwarfare to be extremely boring, so it's probably me.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2011-09-30 15:26:55 UTC
I fly some very unique ships.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-30 15:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
My story is

I started to play back in the days and i want to fly rifter hull nothing more, That changed and i went further up rupture, stabber, cyclone, hurricane and finished with my love fleet tempest. Then i went to guristas null sec. and found out non of the minmatar ship cant hold the candle to drake, tengu /attention sanctum whoring/ so i X trained have to admit drake was sad until i get heavy missile spec and use furies. My pimped drake made about the same isk as my HAM tengu doing same stuff .. Guristas sanctums.

Then i went back to empire with some retirement money and trained for machariel aka gallante ships up to gallante battleship IV.

Then i went back to roots i allways liked sleipnir so i trained that too. And in null sec in meantime i trained everything for zealot for possible Armor hacs roams/gangs/fleets never get chance to use it actually but thats probably problem on my part rather then on anyone elses.

Thats about that..

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#8 - 2011-09-30 15:50:33 UTC
Started my main and changed direction in the beginning. Wound up being a jack of all trades. Now I focus on one thing at a time. Alt is pure industry, 5 in everything he does. Main goes for t2/l4 in combat ships but has quite a few 5's also. I think 50mil sp is about where i can get 'perfect' on most of my ships (sub cap).

In a group you should alert your FC if you have sub-perfect skills in the ship you are flying IMHO. Sometimes they will want you sometimes they won't and sometimes they will want you to change roles.

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Doomheim
#9 - 2011-09-30 16:07:58 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
I'm a generalist, because flying the same stuff all day every day is far too boring for me.


This after getting stuck in a Drake for a year after specializing too much

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#10 - 2011-09-30 16:15:02 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
I'm specialist in being a generalist.


then again I can fly nearly all sub-cap ships P


Big smile

Same here, but Grimpak has a bit more time then I though.


Slade
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#11 - 2011-09-30 16:18:03 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:


1. Do you specialise in a few ships or
2. Do you cross train a lot of ships but not take any of the skills to V


Currently I have 4 active accounts with six characters in use. These characters are as specialized as I can get them. Some of the older ones have some non useful SP due to the way the starting skills were set up then, but any less than a year or so old have essentially zero SP not dedicated to the role I have chosen for them.


Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:

1. Do perfect skills matter when you are in a big group or
2. Does perfection only matter when you are solo or in very small groups.


Perfect skills are always an asset. It might not seem like much for the training time involve to go from level four to level five, but that little extra range on your weapon, that little bit less cycle time on your repper, that little bit extra maneuverability or top end speed can make all difference in a battle. Large or small.

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Suneai
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
Holy Arumbian Empire
#12 - 2011-09-30 16:28:17 UTC
Primarily a generalist, I can fly a broad spectrum of ships competently but there are a few I specialise with.
As for perfect skills; being a fleet booster, it's absolutely vital that a good amount of my skills be perfect.
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-09-30 16:56:21 UTC
Suneai wrote:
Primarily a generalist, I can fly a broad spectrum of ships competently but there are a few I specialise with.

This is me, really. I can fly any T1 sub-battleship hull (except haulers and miners...I only need one of those), most of them effectively, and I'm working to get up to T2 weapons on the ones I actually do fly.

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Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#14 - 2011-09-30 17:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Renan Ruivo
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
I fly a Nightmare as my money making ship but it took me almost a 15 months to perfect it and that means

Elite core skills
Perfect turret skills
5/5 Battleship skills
perfect light/mid drone skills

Apart from some time wasted training for a hulk i dont fly any T2 ships which is about to change but


1. Do you specialise in a few ships or
2. Do you cross train a lot of ships but not take any of the skills to V


One nullsec alliance said there only reqs were minny Battleship to 1 and large projectiles to 1 for drake busting fleets.


Next set of questions


1. Do perfect skills matter when you are in a big group or
2. Does perfection only matter when you are solo or in very small groups.


training for perfection can be painful as you are limited in versatility on which ships you can fly and it takes a LONG time and if those ships are not what you thought they would be you have wasted a lot of time.

But you can fly everything but not very will then you are only good for large fleet work.


Your very valuable answers please



By the social (fleets) nature of EVE you cannot just specialize in one ship and be done with it. You need to specialize on the FOTM.

As for the Nightmare i trained and use it just as you do, but i use maxed out sentries instead of lights/mids. Since i snipe, there's no point in wasting time with drones flying around. Three Curator II's pack quite a punch on frigates, cruisers and BC's, and add their DPS to larger targets, even with a ship with no bonuses for them.


Which means that later you can completely scrap (read: store) your nightmare and go for a ordinary geddon. You get the same DPS out of it, but its much more efficient. (not to mention cheaper... it wont get you kicked from your alliance should you lose it while ratting, drunk, for a hot-dropping gang

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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-09-30 17:11:07 UTC
I used to be a generalist. Lately I've been focusing on improving the skills I have rather than training for new things. We'll see how long it lasts, the Loki is calling to me.....

That's my main at least. My alt is specialized for fleet command ships, and can barely fly anything else. I'm starting to branch out with him now since I can fly 3 out of 4 of the fleet commands, and have little desire at the moment to train for the astarte. I'm slowly crosstraining to some utility ships, in lieu of bringing the other specialization skills to level 5. I do want them, but don't want to spend the time right now.

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#16 - 2011-09-30 17:19:20 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
I'm a generalist, because flying the same stuff all day every day is far too boring for me.


I'm with you on that mang...

I can fly any ship but sometimes I like to mix it up... it's the only way to go. All it takes is a little rebalancing and there are all kinds of odd fits you can try to gain an asymmetric advantage in a fight (or some other non-pvp-fight tactic... ninja ftw).

It's just fun to try something new.

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mkint
#17 - 2011-09-30 19:10:09 UTC
I can fly every single one of my faction's ships, except titans. I can fit every single one of my faction's ships properly, including titans (except a skillbook or two.) I'm only missing a handful of T2 modules. When in a small alliance with limited resources, being able to fill any role gives a tactical advantage. I.E., the alliance who's one and only logi pilot can't log on today will have a much harder time competing against the alliance who has several logi pilots who can step up if needed, even if they aren't maxed (I'm maxed with logi because it's a prereq for being able to fit every carrier module.) And, when you get down to it, most of my PVP is on an alliance/corp vs alliance/corp or blue vs blue level, not on a 1v1 or equal vs equal level.

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-09-30 19:56:10 UTC
After 4 years, apart from capitals there is very little I can't fly and I've made it my aim to try as much as I can. all that's left is getting 5's in specialisations and 5's in some ship types but apart from some industrials I can fly everything sub capital.

The only ships I ever specifically got maximum skills in were all four logistics ships and the skills needed to fly them and get the most from them. Next up is probably hacs 5 and interceptors 5.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2011-09-30 22:43:48 UTC
I specialized into covering all covops (bombers), ewar frigates, amarr, caldari, minmatar recons and the Widow.

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Cunane Jeran
#20 - 2011-09-30 22:52:16 UTC
I guess I lay somewhere in the middle.

I only fly Gallente and Amarr and as the skills are so similar that whatever I train generally benefits both races. Its like a crazy two for one.

Now if only CCP would release those sexy EOM ships I'd be a happy man.
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