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ISD LoneLynx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-04-27 21:34:40 UTC
Deleted some trolling and personal attacks

While I understand what's currently going on, keep your discussions civil, thanks

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Col Arran
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-04-27 21:46:55 UTC
ISD LoneLynx wrote:
Deleted some trolling and personal attacks

While I understand what's currently going on, keep your discussions civil, thanks


But that was the whole reason I made this thread, to see the forum PvP :(
Kalpel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-04-27 21:50:21 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Jita has a population cap in place to solve the very issue of server load. If you keep trying to log in you will eventually get there.


NO NO, not according to Jon Lander, senior producer of Eve Online. " "Last night I got an email - Jita was at 2100. Time dilation kicked in at 15 per cent. And there were people just watching the sh*t that was going down. It was brilliant. It was absolutely great." So this is how CCP wants EvE to play out , logging in or out!


read on .... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=101940&f=258&q=1204635

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#44 - 2012-04-27 22:42:18 UTC
Coldfire Trilogy wrote:
That's what WoW made instances mean, that's not what the WORD instance means... don't get the two confused.
…but the problem here is that people are using the WORD to mean what it always means in MMO circles, which is the WoW meaning. You are confusing the two when you object to us correcting people who claim that just because they lowered the cap on Jita, the game is suddenly instanced.

No, EVE is still not instanced.

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I never mentioned a lock out
You mean aside from saying that “the fact that there's a limited number of people allowed while one system over the restriction ceases to exist means it IS instanced”. That's pretty much a description of a lock out.

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I was merely pointing out how somehow at some point, everyone got this notion in their head that "instance" means separate area for a few people that can be duplicated as many times for multiple parties each identical to the last
…because that's what the word means in the context of MMOs. It's the meaning people are referring to when, like the idiots they are, are up in arms about how EVE is somehow “instanced” just because the Jita pop cap is lowered; when they are complaining that CCP's promise of a non-instanced game is broken; and when they bleat about how EVE is now suddenly like all other MMOs. Even setting aside that nothing has actually changed, the meaning of the word is the same: “instanced” as in duplicated/copyable locations to work around population limitations and/or to create private rooms.

None of the sort has happened, of course, since EVE does not support instancing.
Sidrat Flush
School of Applied Knowledge
#45 - 2012-04-27 23:40:41 UTC
Perramas wrote:
I was smart and moved all my sell/buy orders from Jita earlier in the week to one of the other trade hubs. If you knew this was coming and did not make alternate plans you were flat out dumb or just looking for an excuse to cry like a little *****.


Do you think Rens could evolve in to the new Jita? Why didn't I think about doing this? Oh yes because well it's a good idea to be close to the pvp action when you next re-seed the market.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
Raneru
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#46 - 2012-04-27 23:49:33 UTC
Col Arran wrote:
CCP had more than enough time to sufficiently reinforce the Jita node and they did not.


You can't reinforce a node that is already reinforced permanently...

Its not like you didn't have warning that this was going to happen Roll
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-04-28 16:36:25 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Jita isn't the only system in the game, if it was then you'd have a point, but it's not.

If Jita is where you and your ships are, it is the only system in the game to login at.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Sister Rhode
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-04-28 17:50:12 UTC
Col Arran wrote:
This is unacceptable, I am not able to log into the Jita system because it is unable to accept new connections. This is 100% unacceptable and is affecting my experience.

I wanted to log into Jita to get some trading done in these times of trouble but guess what? I can't. I expect a resolution immediately, CCP had more than enough time to sufficiently reinforce the Jita node and they did not. Also I do not care if it is merely a political statement, for the lulz or whatever.


6. CONDUCT

A. Specifically Restricted Conduct

Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.

1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.


Stated here plain and clear if the system is unable to accept new connections then I would say that is an unreasonable or disproportionately large load.


Controlling YOUR game.
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-04-28 20:06:48 UTC
Radelix Cisko wrote:
Go to perimeter and trade there. You will still have access to the Jita market. Logistics might be difficult tho.

Also if you havent heard Jita is a sh*t show right now. and for RP purposes it would be entirely understandable that the police would shut down access to area.

Would you whine to the police in your town that you can't get to a certain block when there is a riot there and they closed it off?


If I wanted to join the riot...yes :P
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#50 - 2012-04-28 20:22:35 UTC
Took four whole tries to get in. (less than two minutes total).

mmmm. warm popcorn.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#51 - 2012-04-28 22:32:13 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
If Jita is where you and your ships are, it is the only system in the game to login at.

Sounds like someone failed to plan for something they knew was going to happen.

Sounds like ALOT of people failed to plan.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-04-28 22:49:07 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Jita isn't the only system in the game, if it was then you'd have a point, but it's not.

If Jita is where you and your ships are, it is the only system in the game to login at.


False. If you try to log into a toon located in Jita at a time when Jita is "full," you and the ship you logged out in will be given the option to spawn in a neighboring system.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#53 - 2012-04-28 23:09:22 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Jita has a population cap in place to solve the very issue of server load. If you keep trying to log in you will eventually get there.

This is good. I can see other businesses trying this.

"We took your money, so just keep trying to get in the game!"



You realise that server queues are normal practice? And that the OP is perfectly able to log in, just not into one specific place in the game out of ~7500 systems.

Also: People ITT who have no idea what an "instance" in an MMO is.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2012-04-28 23:21:52 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Jita has a population cap in place to solve the very issue of server load. If you keep trying to log in you will eventually get there.
The current population cap on Jita (2200 pilots) and the "Jita-customised" Time Dilation parameters on the Jita node are intended to keep Jita playable. We are actively monitoring Jita and we are trying to keep it right on the edge with as high a population cap as possible.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
#55 - 2012-04-28 23:25:22 UTC
adam smash wrote:
But CCP sold us on one world with no instances...

You just made jita an instance... and a lower one than it was yesterday..

Roll you just made jita an instance. Roll

You realize that each grid is essentially a discrete limited 'instance' ed area within the game right? That each solar system is exactly the same again but made up of a number of 'instances' of grids etc. etc.

The *point* is that they all share the same database. You can't have, and never will have, all the players and ships in CCPs giant sandbox live in one place.

get over it already
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#56 - 2012-04-28 23:29:21 UTC
Dr Slaughter wrote:
adam smash wrote:
But CCP sold us on one world with no instances...

You just made jita an instance... and a lower one than it was yesterday..

Roll you just made jita an instance. Roll

You realize that each grid is essentially a discrete limited 'instance' ed area within the game right? That each solar system is exactly the same again but made up of a number of 'instances' of grids etc. etc.

The *point* is that they all share the same database. You can't have, and never will have, all the players and ships in CCPs giant sandbox live in one place.

get over it already




That's not instancing, that's zoning.

An instance is where a location in an MMO is duplicated for each player that wants to access it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#57 - 2012-04-28 23:41:56 UTC
It took me a only couple of tries and less than a minute to log into Jita each time I tried.
Of course, that is probably enough to be scanned and designated a viable ganking target. Fun thing is, though, the Niyabainen gate is completely deserted last time I checked. On both sides.

But I guess for an industrial to use any other gate but the Perimeter one to get into Jita is some kind of unwritten exploit.....

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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
#58 - 2012-04-28 23:46:37 UTC
that's why I used quotes around the word 'instance'.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#59 - 2012-04-29 01:04:48 UTC
Dr Slaughter wrote:
that's why I used quotes around the word 'instance'.



I could use quotes round the word 'unicorn' to describe my brother's cat; it would still be the wrong word. Instance has a specific meaning within the context of MMOs, as does zoning. Quote marks won't turn one into the other.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#60 - 2012-04-29 02:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Jita isn't the only system in the game, if it was then you'd have a point, but it's not.

If Jita is where you and your ships are, it is the only system in the game to login at.


False. If you try to log into a toon located in Jita at a time when Jita is "full," you and the ship you logged out in will be given the option to spawn in a neighboring system.


Yeah, neat trick. Log in to Jita, steal some wreck loot, dock, log out, log back in and get bounced to an adjacent system, fly to Rens and sell the loot. Instant 100 million isk. My buddy is rubbing my nose in it now (I got popped).

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