Intergalactic Summit

This has nothing to do with taking the heat this has to do with staying on topic on not putting some personal spin on the story because in your world its impossible to be caste within reason.

Its called self control and don't think the desire to help people is not within the Empire.

Again with propaganda you'd slam anything coming out of the Empire simply because it came out of the Empire.

That is what I'm taking exception to. You have no grasp in choosing your battles and no scene of the time and the place to do them. Forget about heat, you do your race, culture and faction little too no credit with your pointless accusations and sweeping person options as if they were fact.

I've known his Lordship for sometimes and your accusations ring so very hollow.

But, just to further illustrate my point the correct political move here do would be thus:

"Mr Merdaneth, given the recent illumination into how the Empire has been shown to treat its slaves we have questions regarding your ability to treat these people with respect. Mostly the concerns that so many ladies would be a temptation."

But then again I suppose all your capable of is wielding words like a wild blunt hammer instead of a fine cutting tool is a blessing really. The damage you deal to yourself and your cause makes me smile more then you think you annoy me.

If you post it on the IGS, it has everything to do with taking the heat. If you cannot wrap your head around that notion, then mark my words - you have absolutely no place here.



It's a testament to the nigh-infinite depravity of your culture when even the desire to help people has been twisted into the monstrosities you've inflicted upon countless millions.



This is, with honest self-assessment, probably true - but can you blame me? Every chance the Empire has ever had to gain some shred of basic human decency it's pissed away. Even its most noble and selfless acts are bookended by awfulness.

After reading again my message, I want to make something clear : it is not my intention to slander you or your not so secret hidden stairway. It could actually be seen as constructive criticism, or I hope so. Maybe you could review a little the message of your offer to avoid all these misunderstandings ?

This is utter and fanciful nonsense.

My civilization was enslaved, not for committing any crime, but merely for being there. Are you honestly telling me that your Empire is so broken and corrupt that it produces so many criminals that they outnumber a civilization's entire captive population?

If so, that is an indictment against your Empire.

But I do not trust your view of what a criminal is, for I do not trust your view of what is morally right and wrong. Your entire Empire is based upon the crimes of kidnapping, assault, and ****, among others.

Many of the best men and women I've ever met have been criminals in the eyes of the Empire.

You are conveniently forgetting that the Empire still occupied most of the Minmatar areas until 2-4 generations ago, and that your nation kept doing slave raids afterwards until this very day.

That is, you ignore logic to defend your nation's practices. The more I listen to you Amarr, the more I think you all live in denial, trying to ignore the reality of the barbaric nation you have created out of your faulty interpretations of your scriptures. You have created a nation that would crumble overnight if it was not for the slaves your made. You alone are nothing. It's a harsh truth, and it seems you all seem to try to ignore that little fact.

That, or you are trying to score cheap points on IGS by talking obvious bullshit.

Quite a few of them have returned to the Republic, so yes, we are. (I'm not sure about "a large part" there, but I assume that it's once again you just pulling numbers out of your ass for an argument.)

I'm not forgetting this at all. I'm simply applying logic.

Are you claiming that the Empire occupied the 'Minmatar areas' you mention for 10+ generations but never during that time enslaved the people living there in that time. Were many Matari effectively living free and non-enslaved during this occupation and then suddenly becoming slaves during the last 8 generations? I don't see any other explanation that would fit the facts, perhaps you can provide one?

I made the same observation. Adding the number of apparently willful 'misunderstandings' and the fact that conversely one misunderstanding (at least the only one that has been pointed out) on my part were directly leading to ceasing the discussion on his part, I just concluded that dialogue isn't what he seeks, quite contrary to his claims.
Unfortunate as it may be, trying to keep up a discussion when one side isn't really interested in that is kind of pointless and waste of energy: This waste of energy is also the openly declared goal of the man you try to debate with.
So I'd suggest not to try to reason with him.

Thank you for the clarification.

Now then, even for Minmatar that came in the Empire, as free Minmatar citizens, and did such crimes ? I highly doubt that any other governement would agree on letting go foreigners faulty of crimes on their territory, and here I am talking about crimes on which everyone agree on. Of course, you can ask for their extradition, like it is usually the case in these matters.

But considering the situations you are in when offering this to Minmatar slaves, I can understand the rush. Though, I am very, very doubful when it comes to the sanctions you will yourself inflict to the criminal that everyone agree on. Why would they tell you what they did, unless they have some weird sense of honor and justice and a lack of sense for self preservation ? You are favoring a majority over minorities. In short, what you are telling me is that you are not doing omelettes without breaking eggs. This is legitimate, it may still be a positive result in terms of numbers, but also definitly stained deeds.

And, like you, I would be interested in actual surveys and numbers on this.




Whose Empire ? You did not read the whole discussion, isn't it ? If that can makes things easier for you, just consider me as an ideological mercenary, even if I despise this designation, and definitly not a partisan. Not amarrian, at least.

Then, that said :

- I never said that criminals (especially true criminals) were more numerous than other kinds of slaves. But I also called them a majority, which may imply it, and I must apologize for that misleading statement : it was not what I meant to say.

- If you really knew me, and actually read me, you would see that I make very few judgements of value, and even less judgements about right and wrong (unlike you, biased, governed and maybe also consumed by your emotions, but as I do not know you very well yet, I must say this with a whole spoon of salt).

- The Empire is not based upon what you said. These elements are a part of its culture, sometimes deeply ingrained in its roots, but are mere tools and ideological deviances. The primary purpose of the Empire is knowledge, something that a lot of people (including Amarrians) seem to have forgotten.




Yes, but who said he was the primary or only target audience ?

On what basis do you claim this? Or shall I call you something and then not bother addressing it at all as well?

Ah, I see. Apologies if I in turn seemed overly defensive.



Yes.