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Orcas have been bugged and stealth nerfed so that they could not take minerals from non corp members.

CCP have announced that the bug is not going to be undone, actually:





This means:

1) Large mining operations are now braked since non corp (even in fleet) miners cannot deposit ore in the hangar any more.

2) Orcas will tank in value as they lost a major utility feature.

3) > 4-5 accounts owners will drop some accounts (impacting on characters sales value)

4) It'll be more dangerous to mine.

5) Wardecs won't be able to be dodged and thus less will mine at wholesale grade.

More factors you can easily figure out.


Result: less minerals mined, expecially low ends. Result2: I will get even richer due to that, maybe you should not have just stocked on Nocx

not if they're in fleet which they probably are. All this does is stop AFK orcas being used as big jet cams by non corp members. It won't matter much.

For 6 months, or 5 years like a pos ?
It does not sound like there is any current formal proposal, timeline, assigned resources or a design as yet.



it puts the orca pilot at aggression risk (because cans are sure to be broken a lot in the expected reworks if they aren't broken today - they were broken on thursday), and allows a single noobship to disrupt an entire op. The orca pilot will either be doing far more UI operations per second than the hulk pilots, or the cans will be left in space till near full (bad either way).



its a fleet ship. The point to fleeting randoms is (a) fun, (b) conversation and (c) getting a pool of contacts, some of whom you may do future business with or invite to corp or whatever, or just to deal with the fact that its 3am and your corpies aren't online.

The whole idea of having half of the function of the fleet ship failing at this point in time, and not even actually having the feature on a development path with a delivery date seems fairly anti-multiplayer on an MMO ?

I would even go further and say the tabs are in fact an important part of fleeting as they allowed my alt to run a capitalist operation where I paid for ore delivered to the hanger - as it was delivered, because I could assign each miner a tab and could essentially privately see who delivered what, and deal with it straight away (toss it in cargo, a spare tab or the ore hold when paid for).

A single fleet hanger is not equal to that task, and will require a further bag type object, or for a clone tab system. Communist ops are good for punishing the best miners (ie the ones that short cycle, pay attention etc) by averaging out their income with lazy miners.

So, no prize for figuring out which you are.


Not any more, apparently.


According to one person at CCP the previous fleet functionality was unintentional. However that person has already started to reconsider that. Chances are that much of the effect of this change was as unintentional as the original functionality. Having a planned correction in the pipeline to an unintentional change within such a short time frame isn't a very realistic expectation.

While I can understand your disgust at CCPs inability to effectively test and control changes, this is nothing new and very much part of the EVE experience. To be fair, they are actually getting better, so railing against them now doesn't really serve your needs at all.

In that respect it probably serves his too.

But if you are just interested in pushing up the mineral prices, shouldn't this thread be somewhere more visible than MD?

It makes mining more troublesome, but it also increases the value of their time.

As I said already...


I don't see how this event should suprise anyone. It's pretty standard for CCP and not exactly rare in the software industry as a whole.

You have to consider what would drive CCP to improve in this respect, given that minor shortfalls of competence like this are fairly routine and do not have a great impact on their profitability or the continuation of their customer contracts. The fact is we're all pretty used to CCP's historical performance to the point that we expect each patch to come with an overrunning downtime, a mass of unintentional changes, a boatload of bugs and lot of touted functionality missing.

This is the product to which we willingly subscribe. Complaining about it when they deliver a predictable performance that matches (or, more recently, improves upon) their historical one just seems a little daft.

In related news, the messed up broadcast system in this patch actually made fleet PvP much more oldschool. Destination posted in the fleet window, busy comms, etc. I didn't really mind it making my life as an FC a little tougher as it allowed me to indulge in some serious nostalgia.

So in summary: "Adapt and overcome" is the way of EVE and that applies as much to CCP's scattergun software engineering as it does to the emergent sandbox that it generates.

The large mining operations use both corp and out of corp characters and also alliance characters.

Those are the relevant hi sec miners in EvE, those who strip a whole belt in 30 minutes, not the noobs in expanded Hulks stripping a belt in a day.

The change directly hits the big ones.

By reading the appropriate threads and learning them.