Missions & Complexes

24th Of April Escalation - Incursion Review

Afternoon or Evening depending when you are reading this, In this topic i will be talking about what has changed and how the Incursion world is finding this insane "Nerf" hammer, There has been a lot of topic's which has been started in this forum which lack the direction of a decent argument and turn into a tears.

So lets get this forum topic started.


Isk Per Hour Ratio

In the recent patch called "Escalation" you will already of noticed that the sites have changed dramaticly causing you to have a lower "Isk Per Hour Ratio" From talking to people and getting some feedback, Fleets across the diffrent Incursion communitys are earning more than others, Down to the fact of many things.

Better Fleet Comp
T2 Gun's
Better Skill's
The Fleet Commander's Effectiveness

There is many things that will effect your Isk Per Hour, For instance at ISN - Incursion Shiny Network, We are earning around 60-70 Million per hour in a Vanguard, Which is crazy considering what we used to earn, Which is 160 million a hour depending on the sites that spawn, How fast the fleet gets going and maintaining it, So including these factors it is still a insane drop in Isk Per Hour.

I will admit that a lot of tears will be shed in the coming weeks, I have been doing Incursions myself and our community is now looking into Assaults, They look promising, Not as good as we thought but its somthing.

Fleet Comp

A lot of fleets have been using short range dps in Vanguards, Like Blasters, Webs etc, The short range fleet comp for a Vanguard is not needed, With the current change it only just makes it a lot slower, Turning a 6-7 Minute OTA into 14 minutes, There is some Key tips that might help.

Vanguard OTA

Once You Have Warped In, Keep Three Tama's Tagged And Nuke All The Other Frig's ( Leave Eystur Rhomben's )
Have Long Range Battleships, This Enables You To Kill The Mara Quickly
You Will NEED A Four/Three Webbed Loki ( This Enables You To Kill The Frigs A Lot More Effectively, Even When They Get Into Orbit Range )
Vanguards Can Still be Done With Two 5/1 Basi's
Make Sure You Have a OGB ( If You Can Use The Skirmish Link For Webs, This Would Benefit The Loki )

Vanguard NMC

Once You Have Warped In, Nuke All Frigs Off The Field Then Move Onto The Cruiser's
This Site Can Still Be Done With Two Logi
All The Above Points For The OTA Are Needed For a NMC
NMC's And OTA's Can Be Done With The Same Fleet Comp Stated Above

Note: This is just to help out people or other community's who are still trying to do Incursions


Review Of Vanguards - From A Personal View

Personally i think that Vanguards have been "Nerfed" that much that there isn't much use in doing them, You can earn the same amount of Isk Per Hour as a good Level 4 Mission Runner, A lot of people have left Incursions and are now starting to do mining and other things to keep the wallet healthy.

I have been Fleet Commanding since Incarna came out, These are worse than what Incursions started of to be, That was bad enough before they buffed them, But if you still like to fleet up with the guys and have some fun on Teamspeak and troll each other, Then incursions are still a nice little passive Isk.


Assaults - Are They Worth It?

There has been a lot of talk about are Assaults any better? They are about 10-20 Million Isk Per Hour better than Vanguards with the correct fleet comp, This being said, If you are in a Incursion community this will be easier to maintain a Assault fleet, Due to the numbers a lot of people hate to maintain them.

Currently the community i am in are trying them to see how they are, I have been hearing good things, Due to our community is big it is easier to maintain the fleet, The site that they are currently trying to master are NCN, They look promising is you can find a way to "Blitz" them, Like i said it depends on the fleet comp, That is the Key.


EVE Online Community

I hope that CCP really look into how much they have Nerfed Incursions, They even said they a were going to Buff Assaults, Isn't Inferno all about the EVE Online Community? Firstly they lied to the community in making a false statement in a Dev Blog, That is a fantastic start to Inferno.


Assaults and Vanguards have been Nerfed twice if you would like to put it that way, For Instance.

They Have Increased The Time To Do Them
They Have Lowered The Payout Of Vanguards

If they just did one of these a lot of people would not find it a big bother, I can say that i could of accepted that, Due to them not looking into it correctly, They have destroyed somthing they were very keen about, Which is the Community.

Incursion Communitys Are Becoming Quiet
In A Public Fleet You Earn 30 Million per Hour

Can you say you are going to risk your ship in a public fleet that could maybe get ganked etc for 30 Million per hour, When you could earn more doing missions, This means no waiting lists or worrying if you are going to lose your ship.


Note: This is just me having a bit of a ramble and trying to give a bit of feedback, Hope you find it interesting or helpful.

Regards - Herr Ronin.

Because there's not several threads already discussing this.

Wasn't aware that HQ's got Nerfed as well, They didn't state this in the Dev Blogs.

I'm curious as to hear CCP's response on to why they changed it different to what they said they would do

finally someone learns and adapt instead of whining, I don't like ISN but respect for your effort to adapt

Haha, No worry's, The more information the better rite?


From the recent things i have been hearing from one of the main assault fleet commanders in ISN, Noble Ranger, Things look promising, So lets see if CCP update us with any awesome Info, I hope Soundwave reply's to the massive amount of things being said in his Thread.

Regards

There arn't any threads that are this full of misinformation xD

Web loki are you serious? you havnt even been in the new site

in my view, they tripled nerfeed the incursion.

especially in OTA's it is required to either alpha or hack the site for the mara to be vulnerable.


3 issues can drag this site forever :

* lack of snipers
* a bug where the mara continues to get reped, even if the site got hacked
* the mara can run up to 111 km or more


currently, incursions are more demanding on people, skills and fittings and strategy, slower , boring and who ever says they'r not risky, they haven't done them.