Ships & Modules

This is both a ship topic and crime topic, but I like it here better so as not to get swarmed by the elite gang of gankbears.

I believe the hulk should be made considerably more durable considering the amount of training time that is required to fly one. It should take a ship of equivalent training time to solo gank one in high sec. Yes Eve is a dangerous place so there will always be suicide gankers, but why should they be allowed to fly disposable toy ships that anyone can jump into after a weeks training and take down expensive ships that take months of training. CCP should level the playing field a bit in terms of miners vs gankbears and make the gankbears have to train and invest their isk for what they want to do, just like the miners have to.

Yes I realize that it is a mining ship, but it is silly to believe that a mining ship needs to be a tank free target for everyone with a hair up their ass. As the game has evolved and suicide ganking has become the gameplay for some, ships need to evolve to respond to make it fair.

Compared to the Covetor, the Hulk doesn't require a lot of extra training and hence shouldn't be alot better. This has more to do with Covetor training time than something else so I guess Hulk could use some work.

Please tell me what can solo gank a hulk - I give you a little hint: A destroyer can't do it unless you literally lower your tank through Expanded Cargoholds and Rigs and even then it needs perfect skills (including rigging skills and AWU to get enough dps - Oh wait, the training time now isn't lower than for a standard hulk?)

Three easy steps to not getting ganked:
1. Fit a tank and add some ECM drones to your bay
2. Watch Local/D-Scan, stay aligned and warp off when something smelling of a gank enters grid
3. Don't mine in 0.5

Oh, you want to mine solo afk in 0.5 with max yield/cargohold? Though luck.

I don't mine at all (though my husband does on occassion), but I hate gankbears attacking miners in our alliance. And you are wrong, catalysts and thrashers constantly solo gank hulks. Regardless if I mine or not I stand by my original post, mining barges should not be fodder for cheap ships that take no skill to fly, it should take a ship of equivalent training time-cost to solo gank.

There have been many discussions about it before. What stands out, and it appears to be the only issue, is that the mining ships posses too little powergrid these days.

Newer industrial ships like the Noctis (250 PG) and Primea (175PG) have noticeably more powergrid than a Hulk (35PG). T2 transporters like the Mastodon and Bustard can easily be shield-tanked to about 50k eHP only by using their mid-slots, though they can go higher of course.

Neither the Noctis nor the Primea are particularly designed to operate in "deep space" as it is the case with the Hulk (see ship descriptions). The T2 transporters, which are designed for "deep space" and share a large cargo hold with the Hulk, do not have powergrid issues (200+ PG) either. Btw, it is not clear what exactly this "deep space" is, because no space is safe and one can be in a war anywhere.

Edit:
I forgot, there is another issue. The training time for going from a T1 Covetor to a T2 Hulk is far too short.

CPU is also a serious issue on the Mackinaw and the Skiff.

The only flaw in your arguement is that is a huge pvp target, so its a pvp ship whether we like it or not. I just basically find it to be stupid that a 310 million isk ship can be ganked by a 1.7 million isk ship in high sec.

Sometimes things need to be said enough times to get CCP to listen. Its better than just posting sarcasm to make yourself look witty.

Again the difference is that one is an industrial and the other is made for war. Lets look at this another way...


In this scenario there are two people; one with a hand gun, the other with an axe. If those two people were to get in a fight, the probable winner will be the person with the handgun (assuming the gun is loaded and able to fire). Now suppose that the two are asked to chop down some trees. This scenario presents a whole ton of challenges for the person with the gun (I've never actually shot a tree with a gun but I'd imagine that its not very effective) but the axe user will gleefully hack away at said trees.

Can the hulk be used for killing? Yes, it can hold a full complement of medium and light drones. The effectiveness is quite limited though, you can't expect to take a hulk on a battlefield and expect to do well. It simply isn't made to put up with PVP damage for very long. I will give you one other example that maybe isn't so half baked.


This time we have a car vs a dood with a hammer. The car outweighs the dood by several times (hopefully) and costs 1000x more than a hammer does. However, if the dood takes the hammer and starts bashing pieces of the motor, what is going to happen? Car = no more worky if the dood keeps hitting. The reason this happens is because the car wasn't made to be hit by a hammer. The same way a hulk isn't REALLY made to be shot by explosive rounds.

Wow, I think the second example is worse than the first but I feel that both are applicable. It is easier to break something than it is to build it to withstand punishment; and impossible to withstand punishment from every possible type of attack.

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