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Which boat for lvl4 missions
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Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-26 09:30:10 UTC
As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven

thanks

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Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#2 - 2012-04-26 09:35:22 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven

thanks


Raven, Drake (slow, but possible), Navy Scorpion, Navy Raven and your best bet: A mission Tengu.

Besides the point that Tengus are expensive, they have many advantages over the caldri battleship lineup, You can train fast for them, you can do high damage in a fast ship and can get very tanky.


I still would suggest a Raven first, except you have corp support, than go directly for the Tengu by all means. At least if you want to stick with Caldari. Crosstraining for a mael/mach or some lasers boats is still not unreasonable ;-)

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Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#3 - 2012-04-26 09:35:33 UTC
You thunk rite !!
Alec Enderas
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#4 - 2012-04-26 09:35:50 UTC
how about this one?

http://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/sm-boat.gif

Now seriously - go for the raven, then the caldari navy version of it .....or the tengu, if you have / get enough ISK together.

I am not old, just bitter.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#5 - 2012-04-26 11:45:25 UTC
Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked.
Orlacc
#6 - 2012-04-26 16:10:41 UTC
Alec Enderas wrote:
how about this one?

http://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/sm-boat.gif

Now seriously - go for the raven, then the caldari navy version of it .....or the tengu, if you have / get enough ISK together.


This. The Raven for sure.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2012-04-26 16:39:03 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked.


For missions I actually agree. The Nighthawk is in no way superior to the Tengu on paper but flying it in Serp and Gur missions makes me happy.

However, the Tengu is far and away better for other things, so it's really hard for me to recommend anyone else train CSs.
Kalli Brixzat
#8 - 2012-04-26 16:45:33 UTC
Any BS works. Drake can tank it, but takes too long to spank it Big smile. Tengu gives you the best combination of gank/tank. Golem for OMGWTFLOLITDIED + loot/salvage as you go.
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-26 17:36:15 UTC
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
A Golem for OMGWTFLOLITDIED + loot/salvage as you go.
This made me lolered outloud!

I didnt even bother with tractors or salvagers in the highs on the golem so I can fit four navy bcus!
stoicfaux
#10 - 2012-04-26 18:37:36 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked.

A fraction of the price? Assuming you use the same modules on both (i.e. an active tank, max gank setup,) according to pyfa: Tengu - 1.3B isk. Nighthawk - 1.1B isk.

Jita sell prices for a Tengu hull + subsystems: 584M isk. Nighthawk hull: 243M isk.

Not sure that I would call a 250M difference significant given the Tengu's better performance and faster training.

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Elian Troller
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-04-27 00:08:56 UTC
Can one run L4 missions on a Legion?
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-04-27 00:16:23 UTC
Elian Troller wrote:
Can one run L4 missions on a Legion?


Can? Yes, is it all that good? Nope, it really lacks the range to be truly competitive with the battleships.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#13 - 2012-04-27 08:26:25 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked.

A fraction of the price? Assuming you use the same modules on both (i.e. an active tank, max gank setup,) according to pyfa: Tengu - 1.3B isk. Nighthawk - 1.1B isk.

Jita sell prices for a Tengu hull + subsystems: 584M isk. Nighthawk hull: 243M isk.

Not sure that I would call a 250M difference significant given the Tengu's better performance and faster training.


The difference is you do not need faction gear on the nighthawk to achieve a superior tank to a faction fitted tengu, and if the nighthawk gets webbed it really doesnt care, while the tengu becomes highly vulnerable if webbed.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-27 11:04:08 UTC
Tengu
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-04-27 11:18:25 UTC  |  Edited by: July Oumis
Performance --------SP required:

Tengu : 8/10 -------- 5/10
Drake : 3/10 -------- 4/10
Nighthawk : 6/10 -------- 9/10
Raven : 5/10 -------- 7/10
Navy Raven : 7/10 -------- 7/10
Golem :8/10 -------- 9/10
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-27 11:20:54 UTC
Navy Raven + Deadspace Shieldboost = solid mission boat.
Ishanmae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-04-27 11:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishanmae
July Oumis wrote:
Performance --------SP required:

Tengu : 8/10 -------- 5/10
Drake : 3/10 -------- 4/10
Nighthawk : 6/10 -------- 9/10
Raven : 5/10 -------- 7/10
Navy Raven : 7/10 -------- 7/10
Golem :8/10 -------- 9/10


Nice list, but you should factor in the price element....

Tengu only performs that well with faction and deadspace mods...

You can have a full T2 Nighthawk (including rigs) for about 450M.

Thus why it is my ship of choice, despite being more skill intensive and not performing as well as a Tengu... I'm not lacking in skills, but in playtime to make the cash for the shinies Blink

It's down to a matter of balance and personal preference in the end!
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-04-27 12:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: July Oumis
Sure a NH will get a nice cheap tank and is a good ship for PvE. I have Command ship V aswell and use it in 0.0, but it takes ages to skill those at the Moment.

Since CCP decided to get rid of some requirements soon™, the NH will be a viable option for PvE, even for newer players with less than 30 mil SP.

o/
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#19 - 2012-04-27 12:14:25 UTC
Wish people would stop saying a tengu is vulnerable when webbed, the standard mission tengu has no problem being webbed, double and tripple webbed. Sure your shields will drop down but with the ease you can kill webbers you are soon moving again and can recover.
Ishanmae
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-04-27 12:18:33 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Though it takes longer training time I like the Nighthawk over the Tengu. It costs a fraction compared to a tengu and isn't so easily ganked.

A fraction of the price? Assuming you use the same modules on both (i.e. an active tank, max gank setup,) according to pyfa: Tengu - 1.3B isk. Nighthawk - 1.1B isk.

Jita sell prices for a Tengu hull + subsystems: 584M isk. Nighthawk hull: 243M isk.

Not sure that I would call a 250M difference significant given the Tengu's better performance and faster training.



Sure, if you use the same mods...

But fitting T2 only makes the Nighthawk perfectly viable for any L4, while the Tengu needs the faction and deadspace mods to perform properly.
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