Science & Industry

1 - just find an empty moon, warp to 0 and anchor it, it will sort itself out. They are supposed to be on the particular grid.

2 - you may find in systems around jita this is troublesome. I failed to not find empty moons around other hubs - and moons I bookmarked were still empty 6 months later when I dropped my pos. Also can wardec some obviously inactive placeholders too if you really, really can't be bothered looking for more than 5 minutes.

3 - not in my realm.

Look up the corp that owns the for sale POS. if the corp has 1 - 2 members just wardec them. Chances are they will remove the POS, or not notice the wardec (inactive). Either way you'll get the moon. Startup a throw away corp (a corp with just you / alt) and wardec them and attack if they don't remove it.

Don't buy an existing / in place POS. You know why? Because after you give them the 300m - 500m why would they give you the POS? Because their nice guys? You're far more likely to get scammed / screwed then to get the POS.

Also I have no idea where you are trying to place a POS at. Chances are if all the moons are taken up in a sytem it is not a system you want to be in. You want a system that has almost no activity, in a system people will not frequent. Unless you have a corp/alliance that will get involved in handling the wardecs you're going to get you don't want to be in or near a busy system.

Ofc i realize this and the systems i looked for had 1-5 active players and are away from any low/null or main trade/mission route, the problem seems that those out of the way systems which are still near tradehubs and have a factory are full because of all those features. Basically if i came up with this system as "nice" all the 20 other owners did the same but before me :) So i guess all similar systems are full as well, i will do a new search run today and ofc i also would not directly trade with the POS owner, thats why i was asking for 3d party references. The posts i saw for 3d party seem to mainly involve multi billion transactions, thats why i asked for a working lower value 3d party.

I know i can wardec corps or even hire a merc corp if i'm to laszy to grind through the shields, but i already checked the system i prefer most and all POS owning corps seem active and have like 10+ members.

bye Andy

If you keep BPO's in your tower you deserve to be war deced

To the OP
POS bashing is not near as common in high sec as many would have you believe, but it does happen. The big problem with worries about getting war deced is that it takes the same amount of effort to take down a offline POS as it does a online POS. Only difference is if someone might come to defend it. They have the same EHP just no forcefield/bubble. the shields are still there. So many who decide to take down a POS for access to the moon or just for kicks usually go for active POSes as there is a much higher possibility of loot/rewards.

It is very rare for a high sec POS to get war decced and attacked just for kicks. POS bashing is very boring nad generally holds little reward. If you maximize the effort needed to take down the POS and minimize the potential reward you will be fairly safe

Back to my point about not having BPO's in the POS. You need to find a system that not only has an open moon but has a station where you can rent office space cheap. There are system within 7-8 jumps of Jita you can rent an office for under 100,000 isk. What this does is allows you to keep all your BPO's in the corp hanger at the station. The scientific networking skill allows you to remotly use the POS labs from a station in the same system. The BPO's are safe in the station, but can be researched in the POS labs. If the POS gets destroyed the BPO's will be returned to the corp hanger in the station. If you have a POS in a system with no station, or a station with very high office rental fee's then the would be attackers assume the POS contains BPO's making it a rewarding target

There are only three major reasons for a high sec POS to get bashed.

1. - It is a juicy target with promise of good rewards for taking it down


2. - retaliation, if you **** someone off either in game or on the forums they may bash your POS as pay back.


3. - They are bored and have nothing better to do, this one is very unlikely as POS bashing is even more boring than mining, but people still mine so it is possible.

Avoiding the first two is easy, the third can be avoided by making sure you are the least appealing target in the system. Or at least not the most appealing.

When a control tower is launched and anchored, its shield starts at 50%.

When the control towers shield drops below 50%, you can no longer access the fuel bays.

The control tower enters reinforcement when its shield reaches 25%. Strontium Clathrates are consumed until they are exhausted. All CPU using modules go offline, and silos become inaccessible. The control tower shield does not recharge. The control tower is invulnerable during this time and cannot be targeted (so no repping). Nothing can be unanchored, though turrets can be anchored an onlined.

Once the Strontium Clathrates are exhausted, the control tower exits reinforcement. The control tower's shield begins to recharge. The control tower becomes targetable again (can be repped).

When the control tower's shield reaches 50% again, the fuel bays become accessible again, and modules using CPU can be onlined. The tower and modules can also be unanchored.

Repping a control tower is easy. Repping a control tower while under attack isn't.

Note: Modules can be incapacitated by doing 1% structure damage. One must rep the structure and the armor to online the module again, but the module's shield doesn't need to be repped. Modules are mostly armor, so it takes a lot of repping.

Giant visible timer on the tower. Similar to an anchoring / unanchoring timer.

Reinforcement can last up to 41 hours. Change the amount of Strontium Clathrates before losing access to the fuel bays below 50% shield.

Oh and by the way, everything is invulnerable while being anchored.

well, if I was besieging a tower, I'd start on (for example) Friday night. ~40 hours later is Sunday afternoon.

I wouldn't bother decing someone or buying their POS. I found plenty of moons the other day for a tower. just try to look more than 3 jumps from Jita (also a good idea if you don't want your POS being on someone's **** list).

Also, before you anchor your POS, make sure you have all the skills trained and ready to make maximum use out of it as fueling them is expensive depending on size. If you need metallurgy up to V or something make sure to do that before anchoring and onlining.

Last thing, before you setup your POS, make sure you have almost a full day of free time. Your first POS will take a long time to setup, anchor, online and even when you get good at it, it takes hours.....

You may also want to log onto SiSi and setup one there. It is a great way to learn all the in's and out's of setting up one and wont cost you anything except time. I have done this for a few different things and it really makes a difference. You will be surprised at how much your learn setting a full working POS and pulling it back down a few times. It also will help you to figure out exactly what you need ( tower, modules, ships, fuel etc.) to do it.

Just my 2isk, hope it helps.

This is an excellent piece of advice!

As Velicitia said above me, +100 Billion indeed!