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New dev blog: Team Security RMT Update - 3 Weeks in Numbers (YAY)

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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
#21 - 2012-04-26 14:15:48 UTC
CCP ipwnallyersorrya$$esSreegs wrote:
ps. I need to give a shout out to Team Security, CCP Arkanon, CCP Peligro and CCP Stillman. They put a lot of hard work into this stuff and they deserve a hi five.

o/\o
Terje Teinturier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-04-26 14:17:48 UTC
<3 <3 Team Security!
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#23 - 2012-04-26 14:21:35 UTC
spookydonut wrote:
Hey can you give us an updated count of false positives?

At fanfest sreegs said it was only 1 false positive.

I know for a fact that it's at least 15 now, and maybe as high as 50.


That is untrue and as I elaborated in every single case we've found where someone was flagged for RMT who shouldn't have been, they were doing something else they shouldn't have been. Not so much a false positive as a positive for the wrong activity.

It may be mincing words a bit but there's a very big difference from my perspective as these aren't really innocents getting caught in the crossfire.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Savage Creampuff
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-04-26 14:22:05 UTC
impressive numbers for 3 weeks :D
great job guys!
TheButcherPete
Blackbase Incorporated
#25 - 2012-04-26 14:26:27 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Hi Five to my Team Security bros


Only 800 likes less cool than our UI programming bros :(


Punkturis isn't a bro..
ohgod
Sad

/me cries

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]

Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
#26 - 2012-04-26 14:34:09 UTC
Good work. Cool
Simvastatin Montelukast
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#27 - 2012-04-26 14:36:13 UTC
Other then isk, did the banned accounts have lots of :

Ore?
Faction Goodies?
other items of interest?
Allaun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-04-26 14:37:39 UTC
Does anyone actually own a beeper? Seriously, when was the last time anyone here saw someone with a beeper? Bare minimum, you can buy a 15 dollar throw away phone for that. Shocked
Brinid Navarre
#29 - 2012-04-26 14:38:47 UTC
Turelus wrote:
If you want an effective log in banner for newbies to see just show a wallet with -100 000 000.00 ISK and say "THIS COULD BE YOU!"

That would scare the crap out of me!


That's not very much isk. You can make that in an hour playing fairly. Try again. ;)
Morne Vyvorant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-04-26 14:39:24 UTC
As I gaze upon the fruits of CCP's security team's efforts, I am in awe.

Let the RMT apocalypse begin.

Seriously though, great job guys.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#31 - 2012-04-26 14:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
CCP Sreegs wrote:
spookydonut wrote:
Hey can you give us an updated count of false positives?

At fanfest sreegs said it was only 1 false positive.

I know for a fact that it's at least 15 now, and maybe as high as 50.


That is untrue and as I elaborated in every single case we've found where someone was flagged for RMT who shouldn't have been, they were doing something else they shouldn't have been. Not so much a false positive as a positive for the wrong activity.

It may be mincing words a bit but there's a very big difference from my perspective as these aren't really innocents getting caught in the crossfire.


If this proves to be true in some of your ongoing investigations (I have a friend who is still banned who only just received any sort of reply from you guys after almost a month of hearing absolutely nothing...) will you come out and admit it?

e: To clarify, the player in question was running a bond business within the alliance. It'd have been very, very easy for him to come into contact with tainted isk or assets because, hey, lots of players sending him isk and him doing lots of varied types of business with lots of players.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-26 14:40:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Drew Solaert
You big beautiful bastards! Keep up the amazing work sercuity team because you are doing everything right. Everything.

<3

I lied :o

CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#33 - 2012-04-26 14:42:52 UTC
Simvastatin Montelukast wrote:
Other then isk, did the banned accounts have lots of :

Ore?
Faction Goodies?
other items of interest?


Assets are calculated into an isk value for the sake of simplicity. You can imagine that items seized run the gamut.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

Perramas
DreddNaut
#34 - 2012-04-26 14:43:22 UTC
This war against the bots and RMT networks is the reason I have resubscribe to EVE online. Keep up the great work!

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#35 - 2012-04-26 14:46:20 UTC
Allaun wrote:
Does anyone actually own a beeper? Seriously, when was the last time anyone here saw someone with a beeper? Bare minimum, you can buy a 15 dollar throw away phone for that. Shocked


I still have one.

It still works (tested it for fun some time ago) but I have to admit that I haven't been carrying it around for the last 15 years or so.

ps.
Once upon a time I even had a supercool watch with builtin beeper ...
ds.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Adonis Helios
Everlasting Forge
#36 - 2012-04-26 14:46:25 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Adonis Helios wrote:
Suggestion...

Have updates or warnings for the new players via the TV in the Captain's Quarters or even on the odd billboards floating around space by the jumpgates?

Kinda like those annoying drug control ads on TV lol

"I.e xxx amount of RMTers banned since xxxx date - Crime doesn't pay!" or some other equally corny phrase.


I doubt they want to "break immersion" that way. Not saying a clever way to do it couldn't be found, but they probably want to keep most of those messages in something like the launcher or EVE Gate rather than in the game world itself.


I understand your point entirely. Perhaps it can be worked in such a way to be seen as a crime in-game? I'm sure the Eve story guys can work their magic.

I.e Concord(not CCP) banning players laundering ISK? .. I dunno
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#37 - 2012-04-26 14:46:28 UTC
corestwo wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
spookydonut wrote:
Hey can you give us an updated count of false positives?

At fanfest sreegs said it was only 1 false positive.

I know for a fact that it's at least 15 now, and maybe as high as 50.


That is untrue and as I elaborated in every single case we've found where someone was flagged for RMT who shouldn't have been, they were doing something else they shouldn't have been. Not so much a false positive as a positive for the wrong activity.

It may be mincing words a bit but there's a very big difference from my perspective as these aren't really innocents getting caught in the crossfire.


If this proves to be true in some of your ongoing investigations (I have a friend who is still banned who only just received any sort of reply from you guys after almost a month of hearing absolutely nothing...) will you come out and admit it?


In all fairness, if your internet "friend" actually was doing something in violation of the EULA (botting, RMT, or otherwise) are you really sure they would admit it to you...

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#38 - 2012-04-26 14:47:28 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
corestwo wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
spookydonut wrote:
Hey can you give us an updated count of false positives?

At fanfest sreegs said it was only 1 false positive.

I know for a fact that it's at least 15 now, and maybe as high as 50.


That is untrue and as I elaborated in every single case we've found where someone was flagged for RMT who shouldn't have been, they were doing something else they shouldn't have been. Not so much a false positive as a positive for the wrong activity.

It may be mincing words a bit but there's a very big difference from my perspective as these aren't really innocents getting caught in the crossfire.


If this proves to be true in some of your ongoing investigations (I have a friend who is still banned who only just received any sort of reply from you guys after almost a month of hearing absolutely nothing...) will you come out and admit it?


In all fairness, if your internet "friend" actually was doing something in violation of the EULA (botting, RMT, or otherwise) are you really sure they would admit it to you...


Edited some clarification in; he was running a bond in the alliance. It'd have been all too easy for him to get false flagged.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#39 - 2012-04-26 14:47:34 UTC
Good news, good news indeed. Way to go and keep it up!

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Turelus
Utassi Security
#40 - 2012-04-26 14:48:07 UTC
Brinid Navarre wrote:
Turelus wrote:
If you want an effective log in banner for newbies to see just show a wallet with -100 000 000.00 ISK and say "THIS COULD BE YOU!"

That would scare the crap out of me!


That's not very much isk. You can make that in an hour playing fairly. Try again. ;)


I think for a brand new EVE player that would seem a lot of money.
Although a few billion might be more around the right mark to make an actual statement to newbies.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security