Player Features and Ideas Discussion

o.O Where do you even come up with these ideas?

At this point I'm 50% certain Lucjan is a habitual smoker of DMT.

Nice idea, But its just that, an idea.
The bonuses you propose, along with the cargo bay,will be used by carebears who want t3 Orca or similar.
No.

this idea is not original to this guy, its been around for a while, and every time it comes up it gets the "you will be ganked" answer and the thread dies off.


because, You will be ganked. there is no way around this.

in lowsec, why the hell would i pay for something when you have just advertised that you are a loot pinata in local?

null? the second you show up you get a drop on you.


(400% bonus to smart bombs range/damage do nothing to alpha tornados and Phobos buddies)

This is the EVE equivalent of the traveling salesman with his cart of assorted goods. The similarities between villages too far from trading hubs and isolated systems seems to be the inspiration.

The biggest flaw in the logic, is that in history, these people were in a world where any criminal threat was viewed so negatively, that criminals either gave it up, or aligned themselves with official powers to mask their behavior.
Either way, they weren't going to be seen robbing traveling merchants.

EVE, is quite different. It's not that the idea has no value, but the type of behavior would be ripped apart by the first pilots who figured they could beat the odds.

EVE is too dangerous and uncivilized for this type of ship outside of high sec, and it is not needed in high sec.

Because a 5 year old is interested in fire you don't necessarily give him matches. It's for his own benefit and the benefit of the homeowner who's house he will probably burn down

Similarly my objection to this suggestion is that:



a) The cost/benefit analysis suggets that in a list of things that could be developed to aid the EvE community this is either right at the bottom or a few from the bottom. The developer cost would be huge for almost no real benefit except to gankers meaning that this would be used a few times until people realised that it's completely pointless and then the entire development cycle to bring this to production would have been completely wasted and therefore no actual potential application.



b) The only interest is either from gankers eyeing up the pinata idea or people like Lucjan who are incapable of mentally calculating the projected likelihood or various scenarios derived from a mental model constructed from an existing sytem (EvE) coupled with an intended concept (this dumbass idea).

c) Lucjan is a 5 year old. This idea is a match. Would you let him burn your house down or would you take the match off him?

POS module maybe? A variation of the PI customs offices? - might be especially useful in WHs. It'd have to be outside of the force field or free floating though...


As a ship or module (personally I like the module idea - fit it on an orca, it would be handy for open mining ops).

Not such a horrible idea really, yes you would probably be ganked - so bring or hire protection. Or looking at it another way - baitship?

Whilst I consider it likely that you're over simplifying the complexity of the code requirements I can't say for certain having not seen the code (I assume you haven't either) so I'm not going to try to debate that with you.

Therefore I retract my statement regarding the amount of development time required.

I assume from what you've said that you agree that there would be at least some development time. I'm not attempting to argue how much and in fact for this purpose don't need to.

Cost = some development time

Benefit = in the long term none

Therefore the cost benefit analysis suggests that whatever development time is put in will be wasted making the entire process pointless.

Now, you can argue whether there would be a benefit, yes. However, unless you made these ships indestructable (which is against the whole ethos of the game) it would still be a ship which would be predominantly AFK'd due to the large amount of time it would need to remain stationary to be of any actual benefit (which is arguably irrelevant as it can be ganked if not AFK as well) and also it would have to be full of loot or it wouldn't have anything to sell. Thus, it would be a giant pinata and everyone would want a piece of it.

As several people have mentioned it would be blown up in null or low sec and pointless (and ganked) in high sec.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on how this could be used without it being blown up for all the stuff inside.

(If you made all the stuff inside destruct when the ship does I can't see it making all that much difference as people will still gank them for the tears.)

It's not so much that I'm against the idea of a trade ship per se. It's more that I'm against CCP wasting development time on something that wouldn't really be of any practical use, ie, this specific suggestion. If the miriad issues could all be overcome without ruining the base concepts of the game then I'd have no issue with it but in the current incarnation suggested by the OP it's mildly insane. I just think that there are so many other things that could be developed that would be more beneficial to the EvE community as a whole that this suggestion is pie-in-the-sky material.

Mind you, if everyone is happy to discuss that sort of pointless suggestion that won't be implimented I'd like an external projector module that makes my ship appear to others as a giant intersteller cow.

We're obviously going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think either of us will see the other's point.

However, your argument is somewhat flawed. You claim that a person with one of these ships could make a fortune, enough to buy this ship many times over. But you also say it will be a tech II capital which would make it a very expensive ship which would necessitate it carrying a LOT of isk worth of sales goods making them an even bigger target.

You also ignore the fact that faction fit faction BSs dont have a beacon that screams "GANK ME" available in the overview to everyone in system.

It's not a problem for ships to be blown up. It is a problem for a ship to be designed where the risk/reward is so skewed in the direction of risk that the ship never gets used. If it's just going to be a market in a POS then why not just make a POS market module? Build for purpose.

I'll stop now though as I've just realised that even though I consider it to be a giant waste of development time if it ever gets produced (which I'm pretty sure it won't) at least I'll have moral justification to start ganking people.