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How much money do you have and how much do you spend on pvp ships?

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shortattenionsp
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-25 22:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: shortattenionsp
Simply put, I am interested in how much people spend on their pvp ships relative to their total wealth.

How much of your wealth do you risk when you pvp?

I have a feeling i'm a total cheapskate when it comes to risking isk. I have 8-9b isk total, make 50-100m a day - but I only fly T1 cruisers and frigates (T2 fits, but no expensive rigs like trimarks, ACR's, polycarbons and core extenders). Occasionally I will fly a BC. My losses normally total 5-8 frigs + 1 - 3 cruisers a week (obviously varies massively but this is a rough guess).

By pvp I mean solo or small gang or some sort of fleet pvp where you have a relatively high chance of dying, (not gatecamping or ganking randoms in low sec with a fleeted loki floating around system, i.e. very low risk stuff)

I know there are people out there who are happy to put 100m into a BC when they have 200m in their wallet. I don't feel particularly bad when I lose ship and just hop in another one right away. I'd hate to have to go do some missions or make some new isk and wait before fitting another pvp ship.

90% of my eve time is spent pvping, maybe 10-15 mins a day trading to make isk. The thing is I have enough isk to pay for months and years of ships but for some reason won't fly anything more expensive.

I know a bunch of people will reply with inflated epeen wallet estimations or various forum warrior rubbish but ignoring them i'm interested in other people's perception of risk and what they are willing to fly relative to their wallet. Are you risk averse like me or do you fly ships that cost half your total isk?
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-25 22:28:04 UTC
shortattenionsp wrote:
Simply put, I am interested in how much people spend on their pvp ships relative to their total wealth


I always have enough to replace all the ships in my hangar twice over.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-04-25 22:30:22 UTC
I would spend all of it if i know i can earn more except for a replacement buffer if i would lose my income source. I have a few bil but i wouldnt fly anything less then a BC or assault frig because the t1 stuff is weak and not as fun.

Its good to have a corp/alliance that can help you replace your losses so you can care less and have more fun.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-04-25 22:36:35 UTC
It sounds like your income (50-100M/day) is vaguely similar to your outflow (5-8 frigs + 1-3 cruisers). That sounds like a reasonable status quo. If you are having fun with your fights and enjoy them, then losing more ships but the same amount of ISK sounds like a perfectly valid system.

Personally, I tend to be in a similar situation with regards to the ISK I'm willing to lose with relation to my wallet. I have less ISK and fly more expensive ships, but I fly PvP rarely enough that I wouldn't lose a significant portion of ISK with any one loss and I will just stop if I feel like I've lost too much already.

In my eyes, as long as you have fun and don't go broke, anything is fine. If you have fun using T1 hulls, use 'em. If you have more fun using T2/faction hulls and can afford them, then use those. As long as you're having fun, it's all good.
shortattenionsp
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-25 23:15:05 UTC
mxzf wrote:
It sounds like your income (50-100M/day) is vaguely similar to your outflow (5-8 frigs + 1-3 cruisers). That sounds like a reasonable status quo.


Those losses I spoke about were per week, not per day :) That was my point - I make a lot more isk than I lose but haven't increased my spending.

Maybe I will fly BC's and T2 stuff some more, to be honest though I think I enjoy pvp less when i'm flying something expensive that I care about losing.
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#6 - 2012-04-25 23:27:06 UTC
shortattenionsp wrote:
mxzf wrote:
It sounds like your income (50-100M/day) is vaguely similar to your outflow (5-8 frigs + 1-3 cruisers). That sounds like a reasonable status quo.


Those losses I spoke about were per week, not per day :) That was my point - I make a lot more isk than I lose but haven't increased my spending.


I think he's given some good advice though, As long as you lose less isk (or equal) in pvp then you make, you're golden
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-25 23:28:43 UTC
If you can't afford to lose it twice, then don't fly it.

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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#8 - 2012-04-26 00:38:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum
shortattenionsp wrote:


I know a bunch of people will reply with inflated epeen wallet estimations or various forum warrior rubbish but ignoring them i'm interested in other people's perception of risk and what they are willing to fly relative to their wallet. Are you risk averse like me or do you fly ships that cost half your total isk?


I look at it as a matter of income and expenses. With normal game play I make round about 50-60 mil isk per day. That translates into round about 1.5bil per month, give or take. If I have to isk grind to fatten up the wallet for something then I can drive that income up to about 200mil a day but then I don't have time for the fun stuff. So that's my income. Normally 1.5 and up to 6 bil per month (that number is theoretical because I don't have the patience for a lot of isk grinding).

In the time I've been playing I've seen that in normal months i'll lose about 500mil in ships which is a lot less than my average income. Ergo, my "buying power" has grown to the point where I fly whatever I feel like flying for normal PVP and my losses are almost always less than my income in normal game play so I just do what I feel like doing.

in terms of how that compares to net-worth, I don't know. I usually keep a small collection of fitted ships around and I tend to work with the same ships for a period of time so I can either manufacture them myself or buy them in large(ish) quantities. For example, I wouldn't buy just 1 hurricane. I would buy/make 20 of them using buy orders over a period of time and then sell back what I still have on hand at some point down the road using sell orders when I get bored of flying hurricanes. I do the same thing with everything.... modules, minerals, you name it. It's because inflation makes having isk in your wallet counter productive on some level so I tend to think long-term and convert my money to "stuff" and sell back the "stuff" when I need money. In most cases I come out ahead. The cash I have on hand is therefore never really excessive. Maybe 3-4 billion or so. The rest is locked up in market escrow or in piles making money from inflation.

As for being risk averse... no. I would become more risk averse if my losses outstripped my income for a few months but so far that hasn't happened to the point where it was a worry. My alt that lives in null-sec has an isk-efficiency of a little over 95% over a couple of thousand kills but a lot of that is in fleets so your chances of survival are pretty good all things considered. I have another character that I use for PVP-ing out of a wormhole in wherever we get an exit and with that one I do mostly solo work. His isk efficiency is usually around 50%. I won't go balls-deep on stupid stuff but if I think I have a 50/50 chance then I'll go for it and my isk efficiency seems to confirm that my feeling for 50/50 is pretty much spot on. This month has been good, though. That alt is up to about 90% and about to go up a bit more when the guy I'm waiting for while I write this decides taht I'm really gone and goes back to mining his mercoxit.
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#9 - 2012-04-26 00:45:08 UTC
I swing back and forth between a period of carebearing and a period of PvP (when I'm busy RL i carebear, when I have a few days off i go all out PvP). When I PvP I spend a lot, trying out new fits for stuff like BS and T2 cruisers for fun. During this period I aim to spend most of my money earned during carebear days, because I know when life gets busy again I will go back to carebearing and make enough money for the next spree again. If i was PvPing every day though (full time) I would be more cautious and watch my spending more so I won't be forced into situation where i HAVE TO make money. I have a pretty big buffer though. :)
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#10 - 2012-04-26 01:11:31 UTC
tbh I don't really know how much money I make, never really sat down for a solid grind session and figured it out. probably something close to 250m/h if I gave it my full focus

But I only started making that sort of cash in the last couple of years, regardless of how much cash I have my general use ship is gonna be a hurricane. I have a few fitted in reserve if something happens, and when I get a spare 15min I pump out a lvl 5 or two to replace the losses

This is purely because the hurricane is imo the best ship in game on a performance per ISK scale for small gang/solo. I'd be flying it even if my wallet balance was nil tb

For BS engagements I don't see it as too much of a stretch to bring a tier 1 faction, generally I won't use BS without at least some reps on fiel

And there's the customary pimped faction frig for null roams, and the pimped faction BS for lowsec epeening

Bulk of my cash goes to backup ships tb

But yeh, I guess it's all cost:performance for me instead of being just cost based. Means I'll be flying that ship whatever my wallet status because it's better to be in a ship you can win a fight in even if it costs a bit, than in a cheap ship that has a real good chance of esploding first baddie it sees.

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Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#11 - 2012-04-26 03:17:51 UTC
Honestly i pretty much risk all my isk on PVP. I try to keep about 100mill and a ratting/mission running ship and everything else is pretty much PVP fit. I probably couldnt even replace some stuff right away, but i have lots of PVP ships so can just fly another one until it can. Nearly all or cheapish; BCs, tech2 frigs, destroyers, one or two battleships. All tech2 fit but rarely faction or officer mods on anything (even ratting ship) unless they cheap ones. I know i'm never gonna be a rich player, or have a fully pimped out ship but i enjoy doing it this way. Who cares about billions in the wallet as long as i can lose a ship dock up and grab something else fast as i can.

If i every lose too much, i rat or run missions long enough to buy a few BC's, SBs and AFs and get back on it anything i make after that gets turned into more and more PVP ships

I dont like making isk (most PVE content in the game needs some work to make it interested i think) so i do it to get what i need to do what i like doing.

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bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-04-26 03:41:06 UTC
I think I'm in the same boat as the op. I trade and my income vastly outweighs my expenses. I could fly more "expensive" stuff, but would still hate losing it. Besides I need to learn to not die first.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-26 04:38:18 UTC
I havent taken isk into account for a long time since it isnt much of a concern in WHs.
Very few of my main PVP ships cost less than a bil.
The cheaper **** i fly for giggles, like BCs and other T1 hulls, is obviously cheaper since theyre harder to keep alive than faction/T2/T3 ships.

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Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#14 - 2012-04-26 05:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Crellion
The only thing to do with isk is pvp anyway. Spend all you have on it. It doesn't matter how poor you become there are useful pvp ships at all isk levels.

Unless if you wanna play for plex in which case wallet amount - plex price = spend all this in pvp.

There is no other reason to play the game... rly.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#15 - 2012-04-26 08:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
I usually follow incursions around, and probe the local lowsec areas while I'm there, with the odd trip out to syndicate thrown in. The small gang fights out there are awesome. Have a bit over 2 bil usually, and try to keep it there as a buffer. What I take to pvp in varies wildly depending on how bored I am and what's available in the area.

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Sutskop
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-04-26 10:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Sutskop
I spend everything on pvp and hookers.
/edit: OP, it's more important that you feel ok with your spending on ships. Because if you don't you fly more hesitant and might tend to make wrong decisions.
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-04-26 11:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: The Lobsters
shortattenionsp wrote:


My losses normally total 5-8 frigs + 1 - 3 cruisers a week (obviously varies massively but this is a rough guess).

Are you risk averse like me or do you fly ships that cost half your total isk?





I wouldn't say you are risk adverse at all.

Those guys in their T3's miss out on a lot of fun sometimes, as a mistake or an error of judgement is a bigger blow. So they tend to go for the less risky kills and don't learn so much in the process.

If you ain't dying, you ain't trying.


There is a lot to be said for having 20 ships fitted the same and ready to go. Respawn.

That's not so easy with an expensive ship habit.

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Korg Leaf
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-26 11:35:56 UTC
I fly ships I can't afford to lose all the time with implants I can't afford... and you know what? I love flying them! I don't really tend to die very often (once a month at most)
Brinxter
Bite Me inc
#19 - 2012-04-26 11:44:02 UTC
Nice read so far Big smile

Personally, i never keep more then 100-150m isk in my wallet spread over my alts.
I do fly crazy expensive stuff tho, pimped T3's, seriously pimped Bhaal, carrier, and with expensive (the good kind) implants.
Anything i lose will take me a while to recover, but i rarely lose stuff, so i can fly something else in the meantime.
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-04-26 11:55:19 UTC
Enough money, but not always the motivation for PvP.
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