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Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-04-24 23:41:11 UTC
...for the first time the other day. I didn't take the bait. So, in order to prevent this, I bought 4 giant secure containers and spread them out in my mining area.

Unfortunately, be fairly new, I didn't anchor them and the next day, they were gone. Expensive lesson, but lesson learned. Never ceases to amaze me that no matter how much I learn, there's a vast amount more to learn about this game. I think I'll stick around for a while. Big smile
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#2 - 2012-04-24 23:56:25 UTC
It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-25 00:02:50 UTC
Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:
It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road.


Aye. One of my corpmates told me that more cowardly can flippers usually check to see your time played and if you're a newb (like I am), they'll do it to try to goad you into a fight.

I'm not ready for PvP. Some time in the future, I hope to have a tricked out T2 PvP ship. But until then, I just enjoy myself mining. And not rise to the bait.
Jiaan Farsala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-25 00:14:13 UTC
Well make sure you do some practice in a cheaper ship before you go out in that tricked out T2 ship and learn even more lessons and end up with a big hole in your wallet.

actually don't. fly that fancy ship and find me Pirate
Kaomi Zorbaz
Claint Industries
#5 - 2012-04-25 10:44:46 UTC
It happens. This character is about 6 years old and they flipped me for a few K in pyroxes one night hoping to get me to do something. I did something alright, got my shuttle and orbited them at close range and went afk for a few beers. Only to see a private convo about what a *** I am. The tears were worth me not mining for 20 mins and grabbing a drink.
Suni Khan
#6 - 2012-04-25 11:13:59 UTC
so exacly why did they care you were in a shuttle orbiting them?
Leca Meca
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-25 11:20:05 UTC
Just never jetcan mine, that is a general rule. I know it's hard not to when starting out but just try not to ever do it. Find you a favorite couple of systems to mine in. In each belt go to 2-6 locations around that belt where it is optimal for your lasers to mine the most, open people and places, go to places, at the bottom save this location. Name them like Belt 1-1, Belt 1-2, Belt 1-3 etc. Do that for every belt you mine so you can quickly warp to station, drop off and quickly warp back to resume. If you do this right it will ease your pain a lot.

On a second note you probably know that all you would need to anchor those cans is 1 skill in leadership called anchoring. It's very fast to learn. You can only anchor in systems 0.7 and below. Lastly, if you must jetcan and you find yourself in a system 0.7 or below, once you have jetcaned, name the can Giant Secure Container. While flippers can still tell a difference, they have to be paying attention. GL out there. Don't trust anyone.
Suni Khan
#8 - 2012-04-25 11:28:55 UTC
Anchoring is not in the leadership tree but corporation management.

then again. these cans fill up so fast if you are in a mining barge or up it aint worth it. Just find a quite system and jet mine. there are many.
Rengerel en Distel
#9 - 2012-04-25 11:37:41 UTC
Another thing you can do is set up safespot bookmarks in the system and warp to them and drop off your loads there. As long as you refresh your jetcan before it expires in the the 2 hours, you can fill it in general safety then come back with your hauler. It still adds travel time to your mining, but less than docking/undocking each time.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Kaomi Zorbaz
Claint Industries
#10 - 2012-04-25 11:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaomi Zorbaz
Suni Khan wrote:
so exacly why did they care you were in a shuttle orbiting them?



I'd assume because they were looking for me to be a dumbass and attack them or take the ore back. Instead I come back and troll them with a shuttle and go afk.
Erinn Sylvanus
NovaTech Universal
#11 - 2012-04-25 12:07:03 UTC
I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection and chatting. Along came someone in an Iteron V, and sure enough he can flipped us.

Having only played for a few days, I thought I could take him, and started combat. It didn't go well, and soon enough he destroyed my ship. I immediately started a conversation with him, opening with, "Ha - I thought I could easily take an industrial? Mind if I ask for some advice, since I'm pretty new?"

What ensued was a good 30 minute discussion with this person. He gave me all kinds of advice, looked at the fitting I had on the catalyst, made recommendations on changes and what skills I should focus on, etc. Then he really surprised me by giving me probably 20 million isk in various modules - along with 6 frigates and a Vexor cruiser!

Very nice of the guy, despite his being a can-flipper. :)
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2012-04-25 12:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
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"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2012-04-25 12:58:00 UTC
Erinn Sylvanus wrote:
I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection



That's a rather useless thing to do with your gametime TBH. You will not stop a thing from happening fyi.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2012-04-25 12:58:57 UTC
Suni Khan wrote:
so exacly why did they care you were in a shuttle orbiting them?


Why don't you ask the correct people next time ? Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#15 - 2012-04-25 13:34:04 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:
It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road.


Aye. One of my corpmates told me that more cowardly can flippers usually check to see your time played and if you're a newb (like I am), they'll do it to try to goad you into a fight.

I'm not ready for PvP. Some time in the future, I hope to have a tricked out T2 PvP ship. But until then, I just enjoy myself mining. And not rise to the bait.


I'm sorry but it annoys me a bit to see people say things like that. All that's going to happen when you finally have your "tricked out T2 PvP ship" is that you'll lose it very quickly because you won't know what you're doing. You'll probably spend a lot of time training and saving ISK, only to lose the ship, get upset, and quit the game.

Instead find a group that does "small gang roams", load up a frigate, and go out and have fun.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#16 - 2012-04-25 13:52:48 UTC
I recommend the 100 rifter (kestrel/punisher/imicus) PvP training plan.

Buy/build a stack of cheapish frigates and PvP until the stack runs out :)

Then you're ready to PvP in tricked out T2 ships.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Phugoid
Absolute Order XL
Absolute Honor
#17 - 2012-04-25 14:40:35 UTC
Erinn Sylvanus wrote:
I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection and chatting. Along came someone in an Iteron V, and sure enough he can flipped us.

Having only played for a few days, I thought I could take him, and started combat. It didn't go well, and soon enough he destroyed my ship. I immediately started a conversation with him, opening with, "Ha - I thought I could easily take an industrial? Mind if I ask for some advice, since I'm pretty new?"

What ensued was a good 30 minute discussion with this person. He gave me all kinds of advice, looked at the fitting I had on the catalyst, made recommendations on changes and what skills I should focus on, etc. Then he really surprised me by giving me probably 20 million isk in various modules - along with 6 frigates and a Vexor cruiser!

Very nice of the guy, despite his being a can-flipper. :)


wait a minute? an Itty V destroyed your catalyst???

how'd he do that? usually Itty Vs are made of wallpaper.

Flugzeugführer
Boomhaur
#18 - 2012-04-25 14:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
I recommend the 100 rifter (kestrel/punisher/imicus) PvP training plan.

Buy/build a stack of cheapish frigates and PvP until the stack runs out :)

Then you're ready to PvP in tricked out T2 ships.


I fully support this, experience is the best lesson. For me back when we had 800k sp alts upon making new characters I made an alt to fly a rifter and trained him for a few hours and than shot at ANYTHING that moved and I do mean anything and I was solo. I jumped frigates, cruisers, bc's, and bs sized ships. You be surprised how many badly fitted bs sizes ships there are in low sec, would've won a few of them but just didn't have the dps to break their tank and the battle lasted for well over 10min of 1vs1.

And this is cheaper to do than it sounds, just buy insurance and cheap parts to fit your ship with the idea is to get experience not win the most battles. Alt may be smart though with the sec hits you be taking, especially if you decide to pod.

And fighting people in T2 ships don't mean you win, in fact what it does mean is if you lose is that it will hurt a lot more as insurance only covers a small amount of the cost of the t2 ship which makes insurance pointless.

And I wouldn't grab a shuttle and orbit somebody just to troll them, it wouldn't annoy a lot of people. In fact if someone did that to me to try to annoy me I might just grab and alt or some friends and pop their shuttle and pod them just for fun. Especially if their an older player as they probably have some nice implants that get destroyed in the process.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-04-25 17:39:54 UTC
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
Alyssa SaintCroix wrote:
It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road.


Aye. One of my corpmates told me that more cowardly can flippers usually check to see your time played and if you're a newb (like I am), they'll do it to try to goad you into a fight.

I'm not ready for PvP. Some time in the future, I hope to have a tricked out T2 PvP ship. But until then, I just enjoy myself mining. And not rise to the bait.
As others have said, you do not need a fancy T2 PvP ship to try out PvP.

In fact, the opposite is true and you might even take down a fancy T2 PvP ship. Tech 1 ships fit up with high-meta and Tech 2 modules can be fantastic PvP ships and you can buy 3 - 10 of them as compared to their Tech 2 equivalents.

While mining your ores, pick key skills such as a racial frigate or cruiser, navigation, electronics and gunnery skills to buff up. This takes time, but the training pays off in greater capabilities from your gear.

On a side note, this a great time to be selling minerals on the public markets. Make lots of ISK while prices are high and then the sting of losing your first PvP ships will be nothing.

+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark “Seleene” Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-04-25 22:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
The best solution is of course not to jet can. but when one noob in our corp had his can flipped by the local menace we set a trap for him. Cloaked big guns who sent out the can and waited.. sure enough, the flipper didn't even bother to check the can to see that a 2003 combat pilot had placed it. Our noob targetted the guy. he thinking, "I got one on the hook" was not ready for the scram and webber the miner set... or the help decloaking quietly. He was dust in seconds.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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