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Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
#1 - 2012-04-22 01:00:15 UTC
Hey guys! Just wondering if you guys had any pvp fits for the megathron, also I wanted to know if the megathron was good at all for sleepers perhaps? and also if the megathron would be any good for mission running
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#2 - 2012-04-22 01:42:39 UTC
The blaster Megathron is way past it's prime for PvP - unless you play station games. I did use one for sleepers, but there are much better ships for the purpose. It's okay for L4s, but the Dominix, Navy Dominix, Navy Megathron, Kronos, and Vindicator all surpass it. If you are just starting out, I recommend the Dominix.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
#3 - 2012-04-22 02:11:15 UTC
Well I have noticed that everyone is going more caldari or amarr ships for pvp. Is that because Gallente are kinda nerfed right now? whats the deal? I dont really hear about boss gallente pvp boats now
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-04-22 02:32:21 UTC
mega is a great BS for smaller gang stuff.
hits range issues in large scale stuff.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2012-04-22 02:33:46 UTC
Haven't you heard? Minmatar are the preferred race... Every race has good ships at a given role - there just isn't much of a PvP role for Gallente BS, unless you are playing station games or hunting WTs in Empire.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
#6 - 2012-04-22 02:43:41 UTC
Is there any good pvp ships for Gallente? is the talos any good?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#7 - 2012-04-22 02:57:00 UTC
The Gallente has some great PvP ships - the Brutix, Talos, Ares, Arazu, Lachesis, Phobos, Myrmidon, Enyo, Ishkur.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

God's Apples
Wilderness
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#8 - 2012-04-22 03:11:00 UTC
If you spend the time to get t2 large blasters then the mega is viable for Solo/Small gang PvP as with null you can hit out to the edge of point range with reasonable damage. The mega can be dual repped for a hero tank. With all hero tanked BS you shouldn't really leave gates and stations because they are vulnerable to being tackled indefinitely by frigs until you get blobbed.

Because megas have 1 utility high slot you can fit an rr mod and have a pretty awesome rr BS gang.

Tier 1 BS tend to be more all arounders capable of preforming multiple roles.

Tier 2 BS are more specialized. The mega is the only tech 1 BS that can reach 1500 dps and still have the tank of a drake. The tempest is an awesome kiter. The apoc is an awesome sniper. The raven is an awesome mission boat.

Tier 3 BS are meant to be hero tanks with the roles of anti-BS and killing small BC gangs.

If you want to get into the mega I suggest you get comfortable with two ships first. The talos has as much dps as a mega and is slightly cheaper, but has barely any tank. Then the brutix is an awesome tier 1 BC gank boat. It has less dps than the talos, but no by much (1k vs ~1.2k) and can sport a better tank at the expense of speed.

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-04-22 03:34:50 UTC
Blasters+drones+webs+reps.
Whitehound
#10 - 2012-04-22 08:12:13 UTC
If you go blasters then fit an MWD and use a heavy energy vampire in the extra high-slot to counter the cap usage. It is going to make it harder to drain your cap and lets you chase your target longer.

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Darex Nidor
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-04-22 08:26:20 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Haven't you heard? Minmatar are the preferred race... Every race has good ships at a given role - there just isn't much of a PvP role for Gallente BS, unless you are playing station games or hunting WTs in Empire.

My Scorch says that you sir, are wrong.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#12 - 2012-04-22 12:05:56 UTC
Darex Nidor wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Haven't you heard? Minmatar are the preferred race... Every race has good ships at a given role - there just isn't much of a PvP role for Gallente BS, unless you are playing station games or hunting WTs in Empire.

My Scorch says that you sir, are wrong.


I'm not sure which part of that statement you think I am wrong about. The part where I joked about Minmatar being the preferred race? The part where I indicated that every race has some good ships? Or the limited role for Gallente BS? Besides, Scorch and I are old friends and get along very well.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#13 - 2012-04-22 14:03:26 UTC
Mega is a gorgeous ship with nice proportion of gank & tank. Works well in close range situations, like wormholes. I use it when I need more tank than Talos has, or more dps than a Proteus. It's strength is the tracking bonus, making the relatively high dps actually land on target in close range combat.

Some people use a Heavy Neut, cap booster & some MWD. I find the MWD dead, cap-killing weight on a brawling battleship especially for my use, I've never been not scrammed and enjoy good warp-ins. For roaming style solo/small gang you'd probably want MWD and reps, or slaves, but then the Talos might be a better choice for it's amazing mobility.


[Megathron, Megathron PvP]

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Tracking Computer II
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I


Garde II x4
Warrior II x5



This is a more conventional, cookie-cutterish ganky Mega:

[Megathron, Ganky]

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Prototype 100MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
ECCM - Magnetometric II

Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior II x5
Berserker II x4


In general I'd say that outside 0.0 sov battleship blobs battlehip usage is limited. But when a battleship is a viable option, blaster battleships are just as good as any- if not the best choice even.

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Perihelion Olenard
#14 - 2012-04-22 17:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Gank battleships, for the most part, are obsoleted by absurd DPS battlecruisers. Sniping battleships, for the most part, are obsoleted by tier 3 BCs. Why use a slow tanked megathron when a proteus does the same thing, but better and faster? Only downside of the proteus, besides price, is that it's much more vulnerable to neuts and can't use large neuts. If you still want a tanked battleship you can use a better battleship from a different race that uses a more versatile weapon platform.

The megathron barely has enough powergrid to fit the largest blasters, at least. The hyperion and dominix are gimped on powergrid. What's interesting is that the maelstrom has an absurd amount of powergrid to fit almost anything on it you can think of. With gallente you seem to have to choose between tank or weapons. But, minmatar lets you do both for the most part.

Sure, there are special cases when you do want a battleship, but I'm talking in general. The only reason I'm even training for and using a battleship is for missions.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2012-04-22 18:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Perihelion Olenard wrote:

With gallente you seem to have to choose between tank or weapons.


Like for example my fit above, it can only fit the largest blasters and three (3) 1600mm plates, with grid to spare?

Resulting in 144K EHP and 1055 dps before heat, implants and links.

Obsolete this, obsolete that, theorycraft all you want, I will always keep a Mega in our SMA, because it rocks.


**** it, Mega was instrumental in getting me a 1.37 bil solo wh kill. Enough raison d'etre for me.

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Perihelion Olenard
#16 - 2012-04-22 19:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Roime wrote:
Perihelion Olenard wrote:

With gallente you seem to have to choose between tank or weapons.


Like for example my fit above, it can only fit the largest blasters and three (3) 1600mm plates, with grid to spare?

Resulting in 144K EHP and 1055 dps before heat, implants and links.

Obsolete this, obsolete that, theorycraft all you want, I will always keep a Mega in our SMA, because it rocks.


**** it, Mega was instrumental in getting me a 1.37 bil solo wh kill. Enough raison d'etre for me.

As I stated it does have the powergrid to do it. Don't just pick and choose what you want to read and ignore the rest like my grandmother does. Try fitting neutrons on an armor-tanked hyperion, brutix, or thorax and see what happens. Drone ships shouldn't be using the biggest blasters as that's not their main damage source.

Plus, are you bragging about destroying a PvE-fit ship in a wormhole with a PvP-fit ship?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2012-04-22 23:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
Roime wrote:
Perihelion Olenard wrote:

With gallente you seem to have to choose between tank or weapons.


Like for example my fit above, it can only fit the largest blasters and three (3) 1600mm plates, with grid to spare?

Resulting in 144K EHP and 1055 dps before heat, implants and links.

Obsolete this, obsolete that, theorycraft all you want, I will always keep a Mega in our SMA, because it rocks.


**** it, Mega was instrumental in getting me a 1.37 bil solo wh kill. Enough raison d'etre for me.

As I stated it does have the powergrid to do it. Don't just pick and choose what you want to read and ignore the rest like my grandmother does. Try fitting neutrons on an armor-tanked hyperion, brutix, or thorax and see what happens. Drone ships shouldn't be using the biggest blasters as that's not their main damage source.

Plus, are you bragging about destroying a PvE-fit ship in a wormhole with a PvP-fit ship?


Maybe I just don't see a problem with a ship "barely" having the grid to fit all the necessary stuff, like you seem to have.

No, I'm not bragging. I just needed a solo ship that could tank him, his corpie in a Drake and two sleeper battleships while having the gank to break him before cavalry arrived. Pretty much the territory of a blaster battleship.

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Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#18 - 2012-04-25 07:18:52 UTC
The discussion is moot.

Mega has "lost" it's behind enemy lines ninja role and tanky Arazu role to Proteus but that is an oxymoron as it never had such roles to begin with.

The "agile" Mega role of small gang roaming has in some ways been taken over by the Talos but that is that.

Mega is still king of small station fights and gate fights and even does spider + dps combo better than any other BS in small gang.

It's sniper role might* also be surpassed but it is questionable if sniper roles are useful overall and especially in BS hulls....