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CCP killed my mini-profession today. Is yours next?
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Ellie McAmber
Dodixie Federal Credit Union
#1 - 2012-04-24 15:52:37 UTC
As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the contract-trading mini-profession with the latest patch.

Most officer, faction and deadspace loot is now available on the market, with predictable consequences (0.01 ISK games and babysitting).

In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as contract trading is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting trade (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with the horribly broken 0.01-ISKing mechanics, station owner standings and other wonderful Market innovations. I did not play that game since 2005 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now.

The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring.

Relatively few people did contract trading, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in MD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The contract traders got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

Sad day.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-04-24 15:55:50 UTC
Ellie McAmber wrote:
As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the contract-trading mini-profession with the latest patch.

Most officer, faction and deadspace loot is now available on the market, with predictable consequences (0.01 ISK games and babysitting).

In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as contract trading is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting trade (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with the horribly broken 0.01-ISKing mechanics, station owner standings and other wonderful Market innovations. I did not play that game since 2005 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now.

The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring.

Relatively few people did contract trading, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in MD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The contract traders got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

Sad day.


One door closes and another one opens. In the meantime copy some blueprints and have fun.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#3 - 2012-04-24 15:56:10 UTC
I still see contracts from all over the universe when I do a search... working as intended.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-24 15:58:16 UTC
You can't say "In before" for anything if you are the OP. That is just stupid.

If you are quitting market trading because of this then you were doing it wrong to begin with. But...good luck to ya. HTFU and adapt or die!

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-04-24 15:58:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
I thought it made these modules a little less special now they're on the market. There might be less arsehats spamming massive orange walls of text in local, though.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#6 - 2012-04-24 15:58:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
Contract -trading was a mini profession?

I honestly thought it was just a way to avoid having to get your hands dirty on the work face of the market and gaining maximum profits from rare items.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Ellie McAmber
Dodixie Federal Credit Union
#7 - 2012-04-24 16:11:49 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Contract -trading was a mini profession?

I honestly thought it was just a way to avoid having to get your hands dirty on the work face of the market and gaining maximum profits from rare items.


If by "getting your hands dirty" you mean "grind and babysit", then basically yes. Also, it was fun.
Happy for you if you like the market as it is.
But choice is always good, and it was taken away. Case in point is faction ships, which got this treatment some months ago.
Ellie McAmber
Dodixie Federal Credit Union
#8 - 2012-04-24 16:16:25 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
You can't say "In before" for anything if you are the OP. That is just stupid.

If you are quitting market trading because of this then you were doing it wrong to begin with. But...good luck to ya. HTFU and adapt or die!


HTFU, as I was in before you.

As for "doing it wrong", no I was not. I know about "other trade hubs", "just wait", "watch SiSi" and other folk lore. Also, it is very likely that my wallet laughs at you (but I would not bet my life on that).

The change is not going to bankrupt me. But believe it or not, I actually enjoyed contracts and found trading fun. Not anymore.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-24 16:16:56 UTC
Ellie McAmber wrote:
As everyone might have noticed, CCP killed the contract-trading mini-profession with the latest patch.

Most officer, faction and deadspace loot is now available on the market, with predictable consequences (0.01 ISK games and babysitting).

In before: "can I have your stuff", "HTFU", "adapt" and "good change lol". I have other plans for my stuff, as contract trading is not the only thing I do. "Adapt" in my case means I am quitting trade (and doing it in much disgust). I flat out refuse to deal with the horribly broken 0.01-ISKing mechanics, station owner standings and other wonderful Market innovations. I did not play that game since 2005 (when I just started EVE), and I will not start playing it now.

The point I am trying to make is that CCP removed a feature that I (and many others) enjoyed, and now EVE is much more boring.

Relatively few people did contract trading, and there is little-to-no outrage over this change, except of a short-ish discussion thread over in MD. However, there is definitely a slippery slope here. The contract traders got it now. Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

Sad day.


TL:DR "I can't make as much money anymore because now the free market controls prices."

Don't violence me bro!
Ellie McAmber
Dodixie Federal Credit Union
#10 - 2012-04-24 16:17:42 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:


One door closes and another one opens. In the meantime copy some blueprints and have fun.


CCP have not opened any doors in a long while.

Wait, I stand corrected.



THE DOOR!
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-24 16:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
If it makes you feel better, this complaint has been heard many times before. Every time CCP improves or changes the game in some area, there are a few people who profited or gained an advantage from the previous situation who come to the forums lamenting how EVE has lost something of value. It can suck for that particular group of players, but CCP game development can't be held hostage to the preservation of every little niche their sandbox contains.

That said, contract trading in general is cumbersome compared to market trading and I'm glad CCP finally made this change. It really is better not forcing people to use an inferior and more cumbersome system for trading. Contracts still have their place and will continue to have that place with some rarer items, but only when there is a real advantage in advertising your item for the entire EVE compared to the ease of market trading.
Forum Harlot
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-24 16:18:37 UTC
scooter Kondur wrote:


One door closes and another one opens. In the meantime copy some blueprints and have fun.


Which door will be closed in order to open this?
Ellie McAmber
Dodixie Federal Credit Union
#13 - 2012-04-24 16:18:48 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:


TL:DR "I can't make as much money anymore because now the free market controls prices."



I think you don't entirely understand what "free market" means.
Sekket
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-24 16:24:19 UTC
Guess you'lll just have to buy low sell high like the rest...
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Mister Crispy
AC Enterprises
#15 - 2012-04-24 16:25:59 UTC
Ellie McAmber wrote:
Samillian wrote:
Contract -trading was a mini profession?

I honestly thought it was just a way to avoid having to get your hands dirty on the work face of the market and gaining maximum profits from rare items.


If by "getting your hands dirty" you mean "grind and babysit", then basically yes. Also, it was fun.
Happy for you if you like the market as it is.
But choice is always good, and it was taken away. Case in point is faction ships, which got this treatment some months ago.


Old system: People can use contracts
New System: People can use contracts and market orders.

Confirming that choice was taken away.
Jack Murdoc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-24 16:29:40 UTC
It's a bit sad - I like the fact they add deadspace mods to the market, but it should be replaced with something like contrand trading etc.

Just because Incarna got scrapped (thank the heavens) that doesn't mean the cool things (like contraband trading etc.) can't be implemented - it just needs to be implemented in another way.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#17 - 2012-04-24 16:30:18 UTC
Well, if you are offering fair prices, you can still sell via contracts... although you might consider putting together some sensible package deals.

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stoicfaux
#18 - 2012-04-24 16:34:07 UTC
Bah, you don't people whining about lost sales to mission botters after the latest mass bot-ban.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Azitek
Serenity Labs
#19 - 2012-04-24 16:34:52 UTC
Ellie McAmber wrote:
Your chosen mini-profession could be next.

You'll never be able to stop me making crap posts. NEVAR.Big smile
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2012-04-24 16:36:03 UTC
I for one, welcome our new market faction overlords.

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