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Eve Online and Perpetuum Online

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Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-04-24 12:10:49 UTC
Note: Not sure if this is the right thread to post this in but since it's partially related to Eve Online figured it was the best bet X_x;

http://www.perpetuum-online.com/

So, after watching the video for this, I noticed a great degree of similarity. Now, I'm not just trying to bash this game or anything about it but I am trying to point out how much of an effect Eve Online has put on the gaming industry that a game would be made with such likeness as to even borrow it's skill training ideals.

Right down to the point of naming some of the skills "Rapid Firing" and "Sharpshooter" on a level scale.

It also has customized fitting windows, open-world PvP in a persistent sandbox, player-driven economy, and corporations.

Coincidence or Eve Forever? Smile

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#2 - 2012-04-24 12:14:23 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Note: Not sure if this is the right thread to post this in but since it's partially related to Eve Online figured it was the best bet X_x;

http://www.perpetuum-online.com/

So, after watching the video for this, I noticed a great degree of similarity. Now, I'm not just trying to bash this game or anything about it but I am trying to point out how much of an effect Eve Online has put on the gaming industry that a game would be made with such likeness as to even borrow it's skill training ideals.

Right down to the point of naming some of the skills "Rapid Firing" and "Sharpshooter" on a level scale.

It also has customized fitting windows, open-world PvP in a persistent sandbox, player-driven economy, and corporations.

Coincidence or Eve Forever? Smile


That game got a MASSIVE influx of disappointed EVE players when Incarnage hit. Their devs would do well to emulate EVE at least in some ways.

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Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-24 12:16:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Dravius
Nomistrav wrote:
Note: Not sure if this is the right thread to post this in but since it's partially related to Eve Online figured it was the best bet X_x;

http://www.perpetuum-online.com/

So, after watching the video for this, I noticed a great degree of similarity. Now, I'm not just trying to bash this game or anything about it but I am trying to point out how much of an effect Eve Online has put on the gaming industry that a game would be made with such likeness as to even borrow it's skill training ideals.

Right down to the point of naming some of the skills "Rapid Firing" and "Sharpshooter" on a level scale.

It also has customized fitting windows, open-world PvP in a persistent sandbox, player-driven economy, and corporations.

Coincidence or Eve Forever? Smile

I tried it when it was in beta. It's pretty much a direct copy/paste of Eve, except the graphics looks like they're from the mid-90's.

Tobiaz wrote:

That game got a MASSIVE influx of disappointed EVE players when Incarnage hit. Their devs would do well to emulate EVE at least in some ways.

No their devs would be better off getting something unique that people can't get elsewhere instead of being in inferior version of a game people can already play. For the record there aren't any ways left that they haven't copied Eve. It's really more like an Eve robot mod than a separate game. If I was CCP I'd have sued them into bankruptcy already.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-24 12:20:59 UTC
But is the gameplay good...?

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-24 12:21:25 UTC
Its not a bad game and there are tons of ex EVE players there, but its not EVE

Also

Inb4 lock
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-04-24 12:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Dravius
Nomistrav wrote:
But is the gameplay good...?

The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics. I mean that literally. The screenshots on the website are fake. When you're in the actual game it looks a lot worse.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-04-24 12:23:35 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Its not a bad game and there are tons of ex EVE players there, but its not EVE

Also

Inb4 lock


Huh, didn't know this could be locked lol. Whoops ^_^;;;

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
teh mole
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-04-24 12:24:03 UTC
Lol it's like Eve except with robots on land instead of ships in space. At least the learning curve for Eve vets on that game would be very small.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-04-24 12:24:11 UTC
Lord Dravius wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
But is the gameplay good...?

The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics.


Wait so you have to ctrl+click to lock the target and then fire in pre-determined patterns O_o???

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Whitehound
#10 - 2012-04-24 12:24:41 UTC
Competition is good.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#11 - 2012-04-24 12:25:14 UTC
The PvP is good.
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-24 12:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Dravius
Nomistrav wrote:
Lord Dravius wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
But is the gameplay good...?

The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics.


Wait so you have to ctrl+click to lock the target and then fire in pre-determined patterns O_o???

I don't remember if they use the ctrl key, but everything is exactly like Eve except they have bad graphics, a smaller budget and devs who can't think of their own ideas.

Whitehound wrote:
Competition is good.

Competition is good. Plagiarism isn't.
RaTTuS
BIG
#13 - 2012-04-24 12:28:09 UTC
just dont use the same username / password combinition

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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#14 - 2012-04-24 12:40:00 UTC
I tried this game back when everyone was whining and crying about being able to see their characters in their quarters and how CCP was putting a gun to their heads, screaming in their faces, forcing them to spend PLEX/cash on items in the NEX store.

It was so much like EVE (minus the graphics) that it made me want to play EVE. So I came back to EVE.
Whitehound
#15 - 2012-04-24 12:48:11 UTC
Lord Dravius wrote:
Competition is good. Plagiarism isn't.

And the Italians invented ice cream, so they say.

Do you know what they say in China when you accuse them of copying? "It's just you."

Complain about it as much as you like, but the Chinese have the attitude of EVE players. X

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#16 - 2012-04-24 12:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
Lord Dravius wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:
But is the gameplay good...?

The gameplay is identical to Eve except with robots instead of ships and 1994 graphics. I mean that literally. The screenshots on the website are fake. When you're in the actual game it looks a lot worse.


From what I understand, Perpetuum Online is actually based on one of the earlier expansions of Eve Online that was somehow reverse engineered and had its code not only cracked open but also stolen to create a rip off of Eve Online. Since it's based on a very old expansion with plenty of bugs then it is no surprise that Perpetuum Online looks hideous and buggy to most people.

Since you now point out that the website posted false screenshots of their game, not only are the developers of Perpetuum Online guilty of stealing proprietary code for financial gain, they are also misbranding. In which case, both instances are grounds for a lawsuit by CCP Games (well, at least the proprietary part).

Since I have not yet seen or heard CCP do anything about it, I can only assume that CCP thinks that Perpetuum is so crappy it will never compete with Eve Online or any other MMO for that matter.

Adapt or Die
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#17 - 2012-04-24 13:07:55 UTC
From what I've seen and heard that game isn't that much competition for EVE

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Grace Chang
Tyrannis Enterprises
#18 - 2012-04-24 13:15:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Grace Chang
Henry Haphorn wrote:


From what I understand, Perpetuum Online is actually based on one of the earlier expansions of Eve Online that was somehow reverse engineered and had its code not only cracked open but also stolen to create a rip off of Eve Online. Since it's based on a very old expansion with plenty of bugs then it is no surprise that Perpetuum Online looks hideous and buggy to most people.


Obviously you don't understand much. If it was that easy, i am fairly certain CCP would have already sued. The fact that they didn't is a very good indication that there is not much ground for a lawsuit.

Besides considering your "rip off" theory you are talking out of your ass. Both the Perpetuum Client as the Perpetuum Server is written in C#, while Eve is written as a clusterfuck of Python, C++ and Pascal (haha!). Well i guess they are trying to fix that with Carbon, but whatever... technically Perpetuum is definately written from scratch.

They definately copied some concepts, but you can't protect basic ideas such as a "skill system". Not in the EU anyways. And rightly so.


Edit: Perpetuum is ofc a bad game, but thats not the point...
gaszy mexican
SILVER INDUSTRIES
#19 - 2012-04-24 13:42:03 UTC
played it . its **** . old news that its a copy paste of eve. move along.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#20 - 2012-04-24 13:47:36 UTC
I'm sorry I called you out as a troll, Nomistrav. Turns out you just post repeated advertisement for Perpetuum.

FYI quite alot of us tried (and stopped there) it when CCP burned what little goodwill they had among the players last summer. It definately had potential too, but one vital aspect in EVE is PvP, and that's something those damn robots stink at. It was so bad that when I asked for PvP, some people suggested a certain zone but then replied "why'd you want to go there", mentioning it was no profit in doing so. When I ask about getting drops from kills, stealing loot etc, it caused an outrage, I got namecalled and people immediately suggested I should be banned before I could do such a thing.

It might have a similar skillsystem, but it's definately not similar to EVE gameplay wise. It might cater for some of our highsec carebear that keep screaming for more security (they will find that for their robots), but for your average Joe in EVE, it won't.

And your blantant advertisement for another game is quite damn silly tbfh.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
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