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Nullsec mining with two accounts

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DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-24 06:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: DIsposible Hero
So I have two accounts. As of my purchase of a miner yesterday, both accounts have a miner on them, one of them is Orca capable. I've only really mined solo as part of a corp op, but I'd like to start getting out on my own without having to have someone else babysitting me

Firstly, I don't know whether 1 hulk + 1 Orca is more or less efficient thatn 2 Hulks (Orca toon only has mining director 3 if that makes any difference), but I do know that the main problem is going to be the rats.

I have a combat toon that can easily tank the rats, but of course that means I'm only using 1/2 of my mining capacity. Likewise having to warp my miners out, log into my combat toon, kill the rats, then log and warp the miners back in every 15 minutes would be a pain to say the least. Is an Orca able to tank nullsec rats?

So, what is the least headachey way to maximise my mining yield with what I have available?
Hayaishi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-04-24 06:37:23 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
So I have two accounts. As of my purchase of a miner yesterday, both accounts have a miner on them, one of them is Orca capable. I've only really mined solo as part of a corp op, but I'd like to start getting out on my own without having to have someone else babysitting me

Firstly, I don't know whether 1 hulk + 1 Orca is more or less efficient thatn 2 Hulks (Orca toon only has mining director 3 if that makes any difference), but I do know that the main problem is going to be the rats.

I have a combat toon that can easily tank the rats, but of course that means I'm only using 1/2 of my mining capacity. Likewise having to warp my miners out, log into my combat toon, kill the rats, then log and warp the miners back in every 15 minutes would be a pain to say the least. Is an Orca able to tank nullsec rats?

So, what is the least headachey way to maximise my mining yield with what I have available?


You can fit hulks to be able to tank 0.0 rats, though, I wouldn't know the fit. You're best off mining with two hulks into jet cans, then hauling with the orca after.
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-24 06:43:47 UTC
Simple mine with 2 hulks

strip miners high

1 shield booster, 2 hardeners and 1 cap recharger mid

1 mining booster low other slot doesn't matter cargp expander or shield recharge booster

rats come, activate booster send the 10 drone out on them if they come in the hulks lock range. if not and they are shooting at one hulk and out of lock range send the unengaged drones to guard and they should attack

If rats break your tank then send the hulks home, come back in combat ship and kill them

once you 5-8 cans send one back to grab orca and haul, then return with hulk and do that infinitium

you can with good skills and mods do the abovehulk fitting with 2 mining laser enhancers and it will be cap stable

Using the above I mine with 3 hulks, 2 with T2 miners and one with t1. T1 miner does the can hauling
Dave stark
#4 - 2012-04-24 06:54:30 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
So I have two accounts. As of my purchase of a miner yesterday, both accounts have a miner on them, one of them is Orca capable. I've only really mined solo as part of a corp op, but I'd like to start getting out on my own without having to have someone else babysitting me

Firstly, I don't know whether 1 hulk + 1 Orca is more or less efficient thatn 2 Hulks (Orca toon only has mining director 3 if that makes any difference), but I do know that the main problem is going to be the rats.

I have a combat toon that can easily tank the rats, but of course that means I'm only using 1/2 of my mining capacity. Likewise having to warp my miners out, log into my combat toon, kill the rats, then log and warp the miners back in every 15 minutes would be a pain to say the least. Is an Orca able to tank nullsec rats?

So, what is the least headachey way to maximise my mining yield with what I have available?

2 hulks. i don't think mining bonuses are worth using until you have 2 hulks with max skills anyway.

i solo mine in 0.0 with one account, self hauling with a mammoth isn't that much of a kick on efficiency i can mine and haul ~3 jetcans worth of ore in a 60 minuite window if i'm not interrupted too much by rats.
rats really are my biggest bane, mainly because i don't have a combat ship that can deal with them efficiently, i waste too much time dancing with rats some times.

Hayaishi wrote:
You can fit hulks to be able to tank 0.0 rats, though, I wouldn't know the fit. You're best off mining with two hulks into jet cans, then hauling with the orca after.

it is possible but it requires faction shield boosters, etc and you sacrifice your MLUs etc, easier to just dock one of the hulks and pull out a combat ship.
wibble ipera
#5 - 2012-04-24 11:58:41 UTC
this works for me out in blood raider space, just change the rigs for your own local brand of rats.

[Hulk, Hulk 0.0]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x5
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#6 - 2012-04-24 13:59:11 UTC
You could also train both hulk pilots for shield rep drones and tank rats that way. But yeah, an orca isn't going to affect you much with just one hulk over two. Reason for using them is really just to lessen the pita of hauling etc. you can check the numbers by using iph in my sig.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#7 - 2012-04-24 19:14:23 UTC
The orca hulk combo can be safer with regard to rats but makes a more appealing target to roaming gangs.

Been a while since I mined in null but you could easily tank the rats with the ORCA and have several utility drones (shield reps, mining drones, etc) just in case. you can also keep a BC or T3 cruiser in the ship maintenance bay of the orca that the hulk pilot can jump into if needed. However unless you are very deep inside friendly territory null sec mining in anything but covetors is very risky. they get close to the yield of hulks at a fraction of the price. you just need to warp out when ever rats show up and come back with a combat ship to clear them out.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-04-29 16:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
A hulk can tank 0.0 rats pretty easily, if configured right, this is what I used back in my PrimaryDOT days.


Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Erin Mining Laser Upgrade
Erin Mining Laser Upgrade

Domination Explosive Deflection Field
Gistum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Small Shield Extender II
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I

Mining Drone II x5
Warrior II x5

Switching resists to whatever you're tanking against, of course.

Somewhat expensive, but seeing as hulks cost more and more to make these days, I'm not sure I'd want to halfass its fit.