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Imbalance in eve and you.

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Mya ElleTerego
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-04-24 03:14:17 UTC
Once upon a time, I lead a pvp corp, we had a blast, we at one point, had 100 dudes in it. Were still ranked near the top 50 corps in eve of all time, and haven't even really pvped in well over a year. I still sincerely miss the dudes I was in corp with, and hope they are having a blast in EVE, or whatever they are doing atm. However, I have some serious issues with the way eve is being run, at the 0.0 nullsec level. which is why the corp stays with nothing but my alts in it atm.

Eve when i started, back in the good ole days around 2004, was full of strife, and challenge. The galaxy was massive, and your supplies and logistics strained at all times. This may sound like a fairy tale, but battleships were hard to get, you actually had to work on them for days and days, unlike the post incursion days we see now. A battleship fleet fight would determine wins or losses on sov and pos, they meant something. Somehow along the way, CCP changed all of that and whether for the better or not, I cant say. Its been progressive to say the least, with the invention of capital ships and supers, and stealth bombers that can destroy entire fleets. Fleet fights are just not the same anymore, they for the most part lack the punch they used to have, now wars seem to be won mostly on the forums, and with meta gaming. Its all about morale now. Which is fine, in real life wars are about morale as well. The days of the american civil war are over, the days of trenches in normandy are over. So perhaps its the logical progression.

My main issues with the way eve is going, are the massive and ridiculous imbalances in the value of regions in eve, the value of certain alliances over others and that its been left to run its course for so long that, you probably can't even turn back now. Tech moon diplomacy which is what I call it, allows those that run the 4 regions of any value in eve, to more or less hire any alliance they want as mercenaries that are held by the balls. Im talking to you pet alliances. They can absorb anything anyone that doesnt have those moons throws at them financially, they make so much ridiculous amounts of isk, that RMT is probably a morale challenge not to explore. My guess, in for example, goons case, they probably have so much isk coming in, that its harder to find someone they trust to give a titan too, than to make the titan and give it away atm. Then you look at the south, and west, and south eastern drone regions, and you have to wonder WTF is the point? There is a reason noone cares that the russians now own, with almost no ability to defend them, 1/2 of eve 0.0, and 95% of those regions are vacant.

Eve is broken at a fundamental level, until regions are balanced, there will not be enough entities to keep the game fresh, and allow others to build, your either a have or have not. There is no middle class atm in eve, due to the massive imbalance that is our moon goo usage. CCP you owe it to us, to fix this mess, its not even many lines of code, its a few integers in C, and I know you can fix this, this is intentional, but its hurting the game in my opinion as a 8 year player. Assuming the playing field was more or less even again, I would even consider starting fresh and building a new alliance, like im sure alot of others would.


Please CCP fix it.

TLDR: Nerf tech moons, 4 regions in eve shouldnt be worth more than all the others combined, thanks.

PS I dont really care if you think im an asshat, and yes this is an opinion piece, if you dont agree, your welcome to post why, or flame me. thanks for reading.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2012-04-24 03:22:03 UTC
Mya ElleTerego wrote:
TLDR: Nerf tech moons, 4 regions in eve shouldnt be worth more than all the others combined, thanks.

Well they're working on it. I don't remember if they gave an ETA, but that's something.

You know, for a while I thought you were going to talk about titan blobs. Bit disappointed there.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mya ElleTerego
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-04-24 03:23:06 UTC
nah thats part of the game, I dont blame anyone for blobbing up. My issue was them using a moon to try and propagate war, and it imo backfired horribly.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2012-04-24 03:28:25 UTC
Well there was a lot of pain going about just now because *someone* tried to grab 5 tech moons, but other than that I guess it is just more beneficial to "care and share".

That said, groups in the drone regions had a sort of edge in making titans and whatnot due to their easy supply of minerals. For a smaller alliance, it is hard to guess if unending waves of battleships and battlecruisers is worse or just 30 titans + supercarriers burning down your CSAAs and stuff once they took note of you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-04-24 03:32:53 UTC
Thought more was going to be tied to Dust and planets....but apparently there will be no fighting in 0.0 planets upon release.

But they do need to make distro better, or other incentives to fight over. Also open up moon goo to others AKA the fanfest idea.
Mya ElleTerego
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-04-24 03:34:52 UTC
I dont know if you ever lead an alliance of a few thousand duders, but once you have, you get a different feel for regional economies. For example, If you add up every moon in scalding pass region, all of them worth anything of value, and you put a pos on them. Your still making less than 1 tech moon... That is what my major peeve is. I cant really explain the drone russians, I am an american, and their economic ways, and leadership just dont make any sense to me, I did fight them for about 4 years tho. We will see now that the region isnt just a mineral farm, how it fares. I think it will be pretty telling. I appreciate your views tho, alavaria.
Pres Crendraven
#7 - 2012-04-24 04:20:36 UTC
Could it be in how tech 2 products go together or how they are used in particular products that has cause the snowball of power instead of the regions makeup? Reactions don't move freely, it seems they are too efficient.

Meta34me

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#8 - 2012-04-24 04:47:17 UTC
removing minerals from drones and the associated rebalancing just means the russians get tech moons. logically

There's another problem with this game that the thread doesn't address - the population is too small the game generally too boring for people who don't want to be in high sec but can't get the numbers to go big in nullsec

I've said my piece on lowsec before but honestly once ARMA3 comes out I'll probably just unsub for another 2 years. I really don't care about nullsec or the associated bullshit.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-04-24 05:03:54 UTC
Tech moons should run dry with random new moons becoming bountiful every month. This would severely balance out null sec and make fighting for the new locations worth while. It wasn't a bad idea to provide the player base with something to fight over. It was simply a bad idea to make it a never ending static resource.

Something clever

Pres Crendraven
#10 - 2012-04-24 05:15:35 UTC
T2 is obsolete, long live the Tengu

Meta34me

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-04-24 06:25:53 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
Tech moons should run dry with random new moons becoming bountiful every month. This would severely balance out null sec and make fighting for the new locations worth while. It wasn't a bad idea to provide the player base with something to fight over. It was simply a bad idea to make it a never ending static resource.


The introduction of magic would ruin the immersion for me Sad

Take away tech moons completely and then do that thing they were talking about with scanning belts for it Big smile

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-24 06:41:50 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Digital Messiah wrote:
Tech moons should run dry with random new moons becoming bountiful every month. This would severely balance out null sec and make fighting for the new locations worth while. It wasn't a bad idea to provide the player base with something to fight over. It was simply a bad idea to make it a never ending static resource.


The introduction of magic would ruin the immersion for me Sad

Take away tech moons completely and then do that thing they were talking about with scanning belts for it Big smile


There is nothing magical about it. Asteroids crash into moons all the time. As they do they replenish the resources on it. Asteroid belts magically respawn every night... Another static spawn that shouldn't be available.

Something clever

Genesisk
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-24 06:48:35 UTC
Why eve online sux: http://firstgengamer.com/fggwp/?p=34

TLDR: Isk printing is bad, we were fighting over 0.0 before tech moons so i dont see why this imbalance of wealth is necessary.