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Making the move to Null from Hi.. any suggestions?

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Tristen Michaels
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-04-13 18:37:48 UTC
Currently making the move from hisec to nullsec- anybody got any recommendations?
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#2 - 2012-04-13 19:31:39 UTC
Shoot anything that's not blue or purple.
Kira Vanachura
Green Visstick High
#3 - 2012-04-13 20:16:58 UTC
Dont forget to upgrade your clone before you go. And don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Dr Silkworth
#4 - 2012-04-14 01:04:16 UTC
Don't
discordigant
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-04-14 03:13:52 UTC
Dr Silkworth wrote:
Don't



What he said but with the added bonus of why would you want to?
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#6 - 2012-04-14 10:47:46 UTC
If you've never flown in nul before, may I suggest an Agony Unleashed Basic and Wolfpack course.

Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#7 - 2012-04-14 11:11:52 UTC
Dr Silkworth wrote:
Don't


This. And also, why? Null is a broken husk that really shouldn't be of interest to many players. Go to WH space, get much better isk/hr, much higher quality PvP, and frankly just more fun.
Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#8 - 2012-04-14 12:52:45 UTC
Tristen Michaels wrote:
Currently making the move from hisec to nullsec- anybody got any recommendations?


Don't move ALL of your assets keep your good mission ships (if you have some) in Empire.

Find what works as an adequate tank on your ship vs NPC's and don't of faction fit it (you will get caught with your pants down one day and lose it)

Join all the intel channels and keep an eye on them during PVE

Complexes make more money than anomalies if you can find them (and get the drops) so make sure you're scanning systems every couple of hours

If you get a chance to join in a huge 500+ fleet fight go and do it! While it's a laggy mess most of the time there isn't anywhere else you can experience it.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security

Spy 21
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-04-14 18:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Spy 21
lol the thread title sounded like moving from null to high... which doesn't sound all challenging to me.

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...

DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Stealth Alliance
#10 - 2012-04-15 00:45:03 UTC
The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise.

Find a good 0.0 corp (there are many awful ones) and they'll talk you through everything you should know.

Damn nature, you scary!

Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-04-15 04:47:44 UTC
You did not mention where you were going or why so it kinda makes advice difficult. I've moved out to null a few times. Once when my corp joined an Alliance that was moving out there and once when I went to run pirate missions. Null sec space is a logistical PITA in most cases you have to bring everything you need with you. You will be able to find stuff down there but it's rare you will be able to doc in a station and find everything that you need to fit out a ship the way that you would like. So you'll most likely need to bring most or all of the ship, mods and ammo that you'll need.

Living out of a PoS can be very difficult unless you have a corp/alliance that has things worked out really well. Living out of a station is usually much easier but again if you have to go several jumps to pick up supplies you will likely loose a ship just trying to pick stuff up

If you have never been to null in most of null people are shooting at everything that moves. You will often get shot at and chased around for no reason other than because you are there. If you like non-stop PvP then it's likely the place for you. If you have some star wars kind of vision of epic large fleet battles over territory then I'm pretty sure that accounts for a small fraction of a percent of the hours played in game

If you want to be largely free to mission or run anoms and do exploration or other wise pursue PvE that is a step up from high sec then you will probably want to get with an Alliance that is blue to the locals. But keep in mind they will likely have strict rules that you will have to follow and mandatory CTAs. This means much of your game time will be spent doing things you are ordered to do rather than things that you would like to do.

Obviously null sec life was not for me and you should not let that stop you from going out there. You should seek good advice from someone who has moved out there and stayed out there. I only replied because the only other posts I saw here were carebears telling you not to do it or asshats telling you that carebears are pussies. You should play the game the way you want and not feel a need to play some way that people tell you to. Eve is a sandbox and there is no end game. Null sec is not end game and it is not a step up from high sec or low sec. It's a different play style. Go out to null if you like and have fun there but don't feel like you have to just because someone told you that's where you go after you get X number of skill points because it's just not the case.

There are plenty of stories, mostly of Goons, of toons that started in this game and moved strait out to null on day one and have never been back. There are also 100+

At the end of the day you will be lied to and mislead a lot and all the reading in the world does not equal the experience of doing it so at some point you'll just have to jump into it and take your lumps

Have fun and fly it like you stole it.
Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-04-21 23:16:38 UTC
I did think of one other option which is CVA space which is NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) space. It is in Providence and directly connected to high sec. I know there are docking fees out there, that's how the help pay for costs. Also you'll have to look into it on your own how you find out who's red and who isn't. But that has the potential to be a nice way to transition into null sec life.
MYSTERY ALT
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-04-22 06:49:12 UTC
read this post as "making the move from null to high, any suggestions"
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-22 07:59:33 UTC
Keep a jumpclone in empire. Always keep a jumpclone in empire/
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-23 15:13:30 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise.

i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-04-23 17:54:38 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise.

i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me.
So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP.
Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#17 - 2012-04-23 18:44:20 UTC
Prepare to become more Bear than you've ever been before.
drdxie
#18 - 2012-04-23 19:25:35 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Prepare to become more Bear than you've ever been before.



^^^^^^^ this. Besides the Sov bashing and HUGE blobbing there is not much small gang pvp to be had :( I you enjoy the thrill of being in a 200 man blob.. then null is for you, and that maybe happens once a day. Null players are bigger carebears than HS. I have tried 3 different Null corps, and they are all the same. So don't buy all the "required" fleet ships till you been there a while, and get a good pve ship to run anoms and complexes :).
Also if you don't have a JF or carrier to move stuff, you will be paying inflated prices on everything.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-04-23 20:26:00 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise.

i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me.
So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP.
Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time.


i seriously doubt that i can get a similar net income in 0.0 without several major drawbacks.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-04-23 20:54:12 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
DelBoy Trades wrote:
The replies in this thread made me vomit. I honestly don't see how people can live in Hisec, if the blokes actually found some stones and decided to leave World of Concordecraft don't try and persuade him otherwise.

i like making money. i don't like PvP (in EVE). sue me.
So, what are you doing in high-sec then? 0.0 is more profitable and much easier to avoid your dreaded PvP.
Sure, you will lose a ship once in a while, but the massive isk-potential makes up for that big time.


i seriously doubt that i can get a similar net income in 0.0 without several major drawbacks.

-Missionrunning : more profitable in 0.0
-Mining : more profitable in 0.0
-PI :more profitable in 0.0
-Plexes : more profitable in 0.0
-Incursions : more profitable in 0.0
-Anomalies : all day long
-Trade : great opportunities to be had.
-Jita : I can't give you that, but hey you don't need Jita, you can do that on an alt while your main sits in 0.0.
-Highsec ganking : Ganking Jumpfreighters, Supercarriers and Titans.
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