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Cost of pvp after tomorrows patch?
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#21 - 2012-04-23 18:45:41 UTC
Ocih wrote:
It all comes back.

Serious, in the 7 years I have been playing this game nothing has changed.

- Gank beats tank
- Build a bigger blob

Super Caps were meant to negate blob but because blob works so well, super caps became the blob. They nerfed it but they never nerfed the blob. EVE is Zerg in overdrive and it always has been.


There's nothing you can do about blobbing in non arena PvP, ever. If one side is allowed to bring more ships, they will.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-04-23 19:18:19 UTC
Perhaps an increase in ship prices would encourage more tactical gameplay rather than throwing as many expensive ships at the enemy as you can.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-04-23 19:21:21 UTC
trademeyourmoneys wrote:
Being a member of a 0.0 alliance, i have seen in alliance chat recently about the cost of fleet fit pvp and how the cost of them is sky rocketing.

I was wondering if ccp doing the incursion/drone region nerfs are a)needed and b)going to ruin pvp(or tame it down).

Personally i have played since 2003, i realise how isk used to be harder to get back then, but now as eve has evolved i feel that the prices 1-2 months ago was more inline with what eve is about(ships blowing up and people lossing isk). Eve is advertised as big cap/bs fleets, but things like moros hull's currently floating around 2.7bil make me wonder just how much harder pvp will be to finance in the upcomming weeks/months when mineral prices really skyrocket.

Seems that the prices of fleet fitted bs's will soon go higher than the price of plex's(if trend continues).



Well the good news is that your opponents will also be paying the same prices, so you're not at any disadvantage.


PS when I started playing, a Cerberus cost more than a 90 day Game Time Card. The equivalent of 1.5 bill now.

For a Cerb.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-04-23 19:21:23 UTC
cost of pvp is marginal.

You can even pvp in noobship if you are that broken.
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#25 - 2012-04-23 19:45:26 UTC
prices always go down after patches, I have been here from Red Moon Rising and only when the teir 2 BC and teir 3 BS were introduced did prices increase after patch. Other than that market forces anticipate much higher prices pre patch and they fall apart post patch.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#26 - 2012-04-23 19:56:29 UTC
The new cost of PVP:


Stupid ship loss of blob and get blobbed has........ oh no..... that thing..... what was it.... the thing that people say what the game is all about... that thing that, when people have trouble with, the reply is "HTFU" or "WoW is that way--->"... what was it?


Oh yes.


CONSEQUENCES.


Fight smarter, not harder. Or pay up.

Or WoW is -->


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-04-23 19:57:21 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The new cost of PVP:


Stupid ship loss of blob and get blobbed has........ oh no..... that thing..... what was it.... the thing that people say what the game is all about... that thing that, when people have trouble with, the reply is "HTFU" or "WoW is that way--->"... what was it?


Oh yes.


CONSEQUENCES.


Fight smarter, not harder. Or pay up.

Or WoW is -->




this

"adapt or die"

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-04-23 19:58:54 UTC
I like it as it will promote the need for a builder and miner wing of any large scale alliance. They will become integral to the success of whether an alliance falls or not.

and people will finally stop looking down on them


Ive seen alliances of 600 people in NPC nullsec who do not have a single builder in their ranks.

Building and mining is the lifeblood of EVE and it needs to be encouraged in Nullsec
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
#29 - 2012-04-23 20:06:14 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I like it as it will promote the need for a builder and miner wing of any large scale alliance. They will become integral to the success of whether an alliance falls or not.


agree.

cost of CCP expansion 0
price of seeing big important alliance recruiting n00b minerz in hisec: priceless :)
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-04-23 20:38:52 UTC
Hulkageddon is a terrible thing. its a time when mineral prices sky rocket, Barges/Exhumers get popped driving prices up even more. You whine when prices get too high for your PVP ships.

So the incursion Nerf you 0.0 guys will hate case they will be getting tougher and many of you guys are unable to adapt to kill them off to make a profit out of it so your Sanctum/Haven running time is interupted which are also large isk making.

As for the Drones losing the alloys for bounties is something that scared alot of folks forcing prices back up.

All I see is that your 0.0 alliances have to pay more or force your renters to pay more. either way you are screwed.

What you alliance folks need to learn is there us a unique symbiotic relationship between miners>Builders>Combat folks. nice circle how things go.

In what i have learn that a good 0.0 alliance will have the following
1> Combat pilots. these guys will run Sanctum/havens and so forth plus the awsome blood letting PVP action.
2> Logistics pilots are the ones that will handle moving things from point A to point B and may call on Combat folks for Defence as needed.
3> Industrial Core. These guys mine and build and yes they also need to make iskies therefore they sell to alliance first.
4> Planetary Interaction. great passive income some corps have you give them your PI for POS fuel.

You figured out thats a good start
Whitehound
#31 - 2012-04-23 21:06:47 UTC
PvP has no cost. PvP is priceless. \o/

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#32 - 2012-04-23 21:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
is this not why ccp boosted desies? they are the main pvp ship in eve right?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#33 - 2012-04-23 21:08:53 UTC
Dude, everything used to be a lot more expensive anyhow before drones started dropping alloys.

So it's just reverting back to something closer to what it once was.
gfldex
#34 - 2012-04-23 21:25:45 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Nobody trying to drive speculation in this thread


How exactly is it speculation to assume mineral prices will go up?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#35 - 2012-04-23 21:29:20 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Nobody trying to drive speculation in this thread


How exactly is it speculation to assume mineral prices will go up?

It is speculation to assume and act on the assumption.


In this case though, the OP (according to Copine) is attempting to drive prices higher by posting on the forums causeing people to buy mins at currently inflated prices before the patch under the assumption (likely incorrect one) that they will raise after the patch.

Most likely, they will go down, as with every expansion (effected object prices raise, then drop after release).
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-04-23 21:32:51 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Go on my son.

Gank more hi-sec miners.

After all, your fine with paying more for each gank, so long as those boring afk miners get ganked in the process...

LOL @ High sec miners thinking they're actually a factor. Most of the minerals come from loot until the patch. I hate to break it to you but combat players die a lot more than miners. Ganking has no effect.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2012-04-24 00:04:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Ocih wrote:
No need to launch the troll brigade. Your 800 to 1800 Drake blob will remain in first place as the I-Win button in EVE. Or Tornado fleet or rifter fleet or whatever it is you can bring the most of.
Status Quo is intact.

You know I meant the actual super "rifter" fleet. Go look for the killmail of an abaddon with 23 titans on it.
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
What you alliance folks need to learn is there us a unique symbiotic relationship between miners>Builders>Combat folks. nice circle how things go.

In what i have learn that a good 0.0 alliance will have the following
1> Combat pilots. these guys will run Sanctum/havens and so forth plus the awsome blood letting PVP action.
2> Logistics pilots are the ones that will handle moving things from point A to point B and may call on Combat folks for Defence as needed.
3> Industrial Core. These guys mine and build and yes they also need to make iskies therefore they sell to alliance first.
4> Planetary Interaction. great passive income some corps have you give them your PI for POS fuel.

You figured out thats a good start

More like we have our pilots and then PI alts, who are also now the mining alts. And Indy alts as well. The Indy alts turn on or off depending on how worthwhile it is to build compared to the usual importing. I think some of them have been heating up the ovens recently to bake battleships, not sure though (obviously the cap ship producers are always at work, since we can't import those from Jita).

No salvager alts though, newbies do that admirably :)

Oh yeah, and the usual ... cyno alt, booster alt, scouting alt, supercap holder alt (if you're into that) the usual run of things you might have an alt for.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#38 - 2012-04-24 00:29:14 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
gfldex wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Nobody trying to drive speculation in this thread


How exactly is it speculation to assume mineral prices will go up?

It is speculation to assume and act on the assumption.


In this case though, the OP (according to Copine) is attempting to drive prices higher by posting on the forums causeing people to buy mins at currently inflated prices before the patch under the assumption (likely incorrect one) that they will raise after the patch.

Most likely, they will go down, as with every expansion (effected object prices raise, then drop after release).


Quite often, speculations exaggerate an underlying true event.

The true event is indeed here:

- Drone regions nerf
- Drones getting bounties (partially offseting the nerf to incursions) so ISK faucets are not much weakened.
- Removal of meta zero drops. This is very very big as I have seen how stupidly worthless the wrecks become. Looting wrecks will become even less wanted and this could cause a shortage in meta > 0 items as well and further reinforce the nerf.
- Hulkageddon and Burn Jita.

Will the above series of events be enough to not let prices crash?

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Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#39 - 2012-04-24 00:30:37 UTC
All they've done is create a situation where A few large Alliances will dominate 0.0.
The only Alliances that will be able to afford SRP are the ones with Tech moons. With Alliances like PL taking in 24 bil a DAY, in moon income, they cannot possibly lose enough ships to to matter.
So, it means that most alliances can't afford to fight for the moons, as they cannot replace the losses as easily.


Which means that once again, CCP has ignored the real issues in the game, and instead went after Drone poo...GG CCP. Oops

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#40 - 2012-04-24 00:37:20 UTC
Avid Bumhumper wrote:
All they've done is create a situation where A few large Alliances will dominate 0.0.
The only Alliances that will be able to afford SRP are the ones with Tech moons. With Alliances like PL taking in 24 bil a DAY, in moon income, they cannot possibly lose enough ships to to matter.
So, it means that most alliances can't afford to fight for the moons, as they cannot replace the losses as easily.


Which means that once again, CCP has ignored the real issues in the game, and instead went after Drone poo...GG CCP. Oops

Wait, a sec, I thought goons/the CFC were the bad guy here?

My received wisdom from EVE-O forums~

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