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Hay CCP, are you trying to make nullsec more homogeneous? (A: No.)

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Lili Lu
#21 - 2012-04-23 18:52:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Miilla wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:


How did you get the headphones on your avatar pic? is it a new NEX item?

o/ Miilla

No, they come from the lp store when doing missions for rouge drones in their NPC space. Maybe if I had done missions for the rogue drone agents instead I would have went for the super-duper Domi with clutching claws.P That thing makes the Mach look like a noobship (we can dream).

serious answer - it's just anohter hair style that at least khanid females have had available. not sure if other races or bloodlines got it
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#22 - 2012-04-23 19:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Gogela wrote:
from the escalation patchnotes...
Quote:
Worldshaping

The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec.


I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another?


This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.


To elaborate on why CCP felt this was necessary, much of the drone regions are very, very low truesec, -.7 to -1 in many cases. This means that ABC as well as mercoxit spawns pretty much throughout the whole area. Now that mining is a "thing" they want to be sure that drone regions aren't abnormally good in that regard.


Of course, unless they slip in a stealth change, drone rats are abnormally bad now, since they don't drop any loot (meta 1-4 and metal scraps included), their faction spawns are junk, they have no officer spawns, and what few plexes they have from exploration are also junk. But that's a topic for another discussion.


e: I've been corrected, apparently the truesec change didn't nerf the ores, so they still have the best mining in the game to make up for having the worst ratting.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-04-23 19:22:47 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Gogela wrote:
from the escalation patchnotes...


I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another?


This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.



what like one could claim about tech in the north?


Yup.


Better cash in now. A storm is brewing.


Don't be stupid.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-04-23 19:27:24 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.



what like one could claim about tech in the north?


Yup.

Bring it.

Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-04-23 19:28:13 UTC
Gogela wrote:

I think null, specifically overall resource distribution and unique resources, should be unevenly distributed throughout null to give each region it's own unique characteristics. In this way space carries different value and that perceived value can drive conflict. Say for instance you had one or two regions of space that have a higher truesec (making it less attractive to ratters) but maybe those rats are the only ones that drop component "X"... and component "X" is required to make a certain module... say a anti-cloaking pulse. Now that this region of space is the exclusive region to get this critical component, it might be worth taking over. Now lets say all regions have a unique resource.


On the other hand this makes industry in 0.0 impossible without jump freighters which is breaking game in another aspct.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2012-04-23 19:31:12 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.



what like one could claim about tech in the north?


Yup.

Bring it.

Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.



It'sll still be "CCP FIX THE BLANK BLANK THAT GOONS BLANK NOW"

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-04-23 19:36:25 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.



what like one could claim about tech in the north?


Yup.

Bring it.

Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.



It'sll still be "CCP FIX THE BLANK BLANK THAT GOONS BLANK NOW"

Ugh

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#28 - 2012-04-23 20:04:44 UTC
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Gogela wrote:

I think null, specifically overall resource distribution and unique resources, should be unevenly distributed throughout null to give each region it's own unique characteristics. In this way space carries different value and that perceived value can drive conflict. Say for instance you had one or two regions of space that have a higher truesec (making it less attractive to ratters) but maybe those rats are the only ones that drop component "X"... and component "X" is required to make a certain module... say a anti-cloaking pulse. Now that this region of space is the exclusive region to get this critical component, it might be worth taking over. Now lets say all regions have a unique resource.


On the other hand this makes industry in 0.0 impossible without jump freighters which is breaking game in another aspct.


Back in the day there were things called "convoys" that included regular freighters... and those "convoys" typically had something called "escorts" with them that would act to defend the freighters. Additionally, sometimes in advance of these "convoys" there would be something called a "scout" that would watch out for bad guys. I know these elements have been missing for a looooong time... but I think it would interesting to see them come back.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#29 - 2012-04-23 20:07:59 UTC
Gogela wrote:
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Gogela wrote:

I think null, specifically overall resource distribution and unique resources, should be unevenly distributed throughout null to give each region it's own unique characteristics. In this way space carries different value and that perceived value can drive conflict. Say for instance you had one or two regions of space that have a higher truesec (making it less attractive to ratters) but maybe those rats are the only ones that drop component "X"... and component "X" is required to make a certain module... say a anti-cloaking pulse. Now that this region of space is the exclusive region to get this critical component, it might be worth taking over. Now lets say all regions have a unique resource.


On the other hand this makes industry in 0.0 impossible without jump freighters which is breaking game in another aspct.


Back in the day there were things called "convoys" that included regular freighters... and those "convoys" typically had something called "escorts" with them that would act to defend the freighters. Additionally, sometimes in advance of these "convoys" there would be something called a "scout" that would watch out for bad guys. I know these elements have been missing for a looooong time... but I think it would interesting to see them come back.


anyone that thinks freighter ops are interesting has never done a freighter op

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#30 - 2012-04-23 20:14:22 UTC
I'm just saying that industry will find a way.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Lord Dravius
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-04-23 21:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Dravius
Falin Whalen wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.



what like one could claim about tech in the north?


Yup.

Bring it.

Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.

There are no pubbies in Eve, there's one server. Are you idiots ever going to learn the definition? Ask Mittani to teach you. He seems relatively smart for a goon.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-04-23 21:46:29 UTC
Lord Dravius wrote:
There are no pubbies in Eve, there's one server. Are you idiots ever going to learn the definition? Ask Mittani to teach you. He seems relatively smart for a goon.

Denial is only the first step in the grieving process. Tho there is a hint of anger in that post, so you may be moving on to the anger stage, after that is the bargaining, depression, and finally acceptance. Would you like a tissue, or can I call someone to help you?

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#33 - 2012-04-23 21:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
"Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.[/quote


It'sll still be "CCP FIX THE BLANK BLANK THAT GOONS BLANK NOW"

Yeah lets see you keeping half of eve blue when you cant buy them off with isk faucets

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-04-23 22:37:24 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Quote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
"Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.
It'sll still be "CCP FIX THE BLANK BLANK THAT GOONS BLANK NOW"
Ugh Yeah lets see you keeping half of eve blue when you cant buy them off with isk faucets
Can you read a map? I don't see that we have half of EVE blued to us. Branch, Cloud Ring, Dekline, Fade, Fountain, Pure Blind, and Tenal, that is not half of EVE.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-04-23 22:41:14 UTC
Deathwing Reborn wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Gogela wrote:
from the escalation patchnotes...
Quote:
Worldshaping

The security status of systems in Etherium Reach, Malpais, Oasa, Outer Passage, Perrigen Falls, The Kalvela Expanse and the Spire has been adjusted upwards to bring them more into line with the rest of nullsec.


I was under the impression that homogeneous space is a problem and discourages greed, envy, and conflict. I thought it was going in the other direction... are we really trying to bring all the nullsec regions "in-line" with one another?


This is less about homogeneity and more about basic balance. The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe.



"The sec distribution in the drone regions on TQ currently is *hugely* out of whack with the rest of the universe" Ya, just like the rest of drone regions. no faction loot worth anything, no loot tables, no security status from drones, and crappy salvage. Yet you still can not find the time to "fix" those problems. But the rest of it yes, that is HUGELY out of whack.

To the OP, they are not making everything equal, the drone regions suck more now than they ever did after this patch. Putting them further out of line with the rest of the universe as a whole anyway.


you mad broski?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#36 - 2012-04-23 22:43:53 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Quote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
"Finally the pubbies will have to find something else to complain about, than Goons controlling all the Tech moons.
It'sll still be "CCP FIX THE BLANK BLANK THAT GOONS BLANK NOW"
Ugh Yeah lets see you keeping half of eve blue when you cant buy them off with isk faucets
Can you read a map? I don't see that we have half of EVE blued to us. Branch, Cloud Ring, Dekline, Fade, Fountain, Pure Blind, and Tenal, that is not half of EVE.



u mad bro you cant buy off peeps with moon goo no more...

PL Russians... and so on.. heck half your current bues are only blue cuss you pay them to be your friends...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Thomas Orca
Broski is ded
#37 - 2012-04-23 22:52:48 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:


u mad bro you cant buy off peeps with moon goo no more...

PL Russians... and so on.. heck half your current bues are only blue cuss you pay them to be your friends...


This is completely and totally true. Everyone in the CFC hates each other and we are only drawn together by **** jokes and tech.
scooter Kondur
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-04-23 22:58:16 UTC
Thomas Orca wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:


u mad bro you cant buy off peeps with moon goo no more...

PL Russians... and so on.. heck half your current bues are only blue cuss you pay them to be your friends...


This is completely and totally true. Everyone in the CFC hates each other and we are only drawn together by **** jokes and tech.


cfc is just a lynch mob full of hatemongers and idiots, nerf branch next and take away all of the goons botted titans and supers
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-04-23 23:31:22 UTC
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:

On the other hand this makes industry in 0.0 impossible without jump freighters which is breaking game in another aspct.

lol this is embarassing
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#40 - 2012-04-24 00:12:27 UTC
corestwo wrote:


anyone that thinks freighter ops are interesting has never done a freighter op


I have done them both as escort and regular freigther pilot and sometimes as both (4 boxing).
They weren't that hot but the feeling of risk of utter disaster was ALL there.

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