Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think the OP DEV used a very active voice, as if saying "These things are going to happen" rather than something like "We need some feedback on XYZ ideas."

Your problem is "Active and Passive tanks need balancing" - why not just post that and solicit input from the players before going in a direction already ?

Here's the collective feedback from players, then: When taken alone, his ideas suck. Now, there are leaks regarding capless shield boosters and some other things that may accompany this vision. Give us the full picture and maybe we'll change our mind, but these rig changes, on their own, are moronic.


I can't recall seeing any ideas this stupid from you so you'll have to forgive my skepticism at this statement.

Awesome change, exactly what's needed.



Btw, should you want to address other crucial issues, I'd suggest you checking out my CSM campaign thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68075

CCP Ytterbium, yet again you proved you're one of those rare competent CCP'ers.

As a Gallente pilot who loves active tanked ships in PvP, bloody love it.

Have you considered other possible drawbacks? Like +HP rigs (extenders/trimarks) penalizing the "other" HP stat, meaning trimarks reduce shield HP, extenders reduce armor HP?

How about a third category, which seems to be missing entirely: Remote-tank. We could use a +remote-rep-amount rig (with a drawback up for debate).

Generally I'm not opposed to these changes, but as I've already said it will do little to change the balance of active/passive tanking. The proposed turret changes ("damage scaling by sig radius"), making smaller ships take less damage from bigger guns (see "Titan changes - update" Thread) could together with this have an impact and make active tanking viable for ships that are small compared to those of the enemy.

Lol, why having a drawback then? Stop joking.

My post was a bit aggressive, yes...I edited it.

Taken alone, these changes suck, but we don't have the full picture. Things like capless boosters/reppers hinted at in entirely unofficial Chaos leaks and I think somewhat more officially at Fanfest would make this work better ("going fast" and "active tank" don't mix, both are heavily cap intensive). As is, however, we're left to judge this change on its own, and on its own it's found wanting.

This is a genuinely terrible idea.

For starters, you clearly do not understand active tanking if you think that resistance rigs are used only in passive tanking. Resist rigs are easily the most common rigs used while active tanking, as they increase the overall efficiency of your local reps vs damage taken. It honestly scares me that you do not understand this and you are trying to make this change. Whether it is a maelstorm, cyclone, brutix, myrmidon, merlin or what have you, every one of them will have at least 1 resistance rigs. (Usually em and thermal rigs for shield tanking while the brutix/myrm that armor tank will have an explosive rig, or kinetic if you expect to fight lots of drakes)

This will be a complete nerf to anything that is remotely nano. For shield tankers, and especially solo pvpers, the use of rigs that would decrease your speed in ships that work only because of their speeds just does not make sense. Nobody would want to put core defence field extenders on their ships anymore except in big, blobby fleet fights. You would be making core defence field extenders all but obsolete and would be enacting a huge nerf to an incredibly large amount of ship types that depend on these rigs.

It just blows my mind that you would even consider something so ********, let alone make a thread about it. Normally I would not use such language, but I cannot stress to you how much this is a pants-on-head-******** idea. I cannot even think of how to improve this post anymore I am so dumbstruck.

I agree. There's just a communication gap where there is legitimate confusion about what is being asked for. Are you asking for our input on a problem, are you asking for our ideas about a solution or are you informing us of a change you are going to make ? It was not clear from the post which it was.

Having said that, sorry for all the trolls.

So is speed. Speed and sig penalties are both harmful - welcome to rigs. The point is that rather than giving shield tanks the sig bloom penalty and armor tanks the speed penalty, you give passive tanks the speed penalty and active tanks the sig penalty.




I will say that this suggestion has some problems. Why are auxiliary nanobots going to noticeably increase your sig? Why is a shield extender going to slow you down?

This change homogenizes shield and armor tanks, which for awhile had notably different drawbacks. Armor tanks killed your speed/agility, and shield tanks killed your sig. One of the primary benefits of shield tanks is that they let you tank while going fast.

If you use the same logic as in the OP, which is that sig penalties are preferably to speed penalties, then this change is a blanket nerf to all shield tanks.

Fast ships generally need their cap for other things. If they run out of cap they can't go fast. More importantly, if you're cap intensive, you need your mids for cap mods...And if you want a ship to go fast, you shield tank.

Most damning of this idea is the fact that the Gallente blasterboat style of fighting just does not make any damn sense with active reps. The whole point of a blasterboat is to burn in range and melt your opponent's face off before he kills you...Combat with a blasterboat is over fast, one way or the other. This style of fighting does not in any way work with an active tank, whose effectiveness is directly proportional to the length of the fight


You need to reconsider your goals. If anything, it should be the "brick" races (Caldari and Amarr) that are good at sitting there and laughing at incoming damage. I would also encourage you to change any armor rep bonuses to either affect incoming remote reps as well, or change them to resist bonuses. Local active rep bonuses ensure that certain ships will never be useful beyond a small gang.

If you want to make active reps more useful, I'd take a look at the current proliferation of energy neuts. As it is, you see so many neuts (and thus so many things capable of shitting on active tanks) because they are the only worthwhile hislot module outside of weapons. Nos are decent except for their ridiculous fitting costs, using the launcher slots (if on a turret ship) or turret slots (if on a missileboat) will give you a negligable increase in DPS. What else are you going to fill the last hislot with. A salvager? A cloak?

By making neuts less attractive (either by nerfing them or making other options viable) you'd by extension boost active reps.