Skill Discussions

I had Desy 5 and BC 5 before the announcement of the upcoming skill tree change.

What I didn't have was the prereq's for all the races. I am Amarr trained, so I took Caldari, Minny and Gal to Frig 4 and Cruiser 3 to ensure that I met the prereq's to fly the BC's in those races. It only took a 5 day detour from my skill plan so that was worth the chance to "maybe" cash in on 6+ million SP. I am counting on the "if you could fly it before, you will be able to fly it after" statement by CCP.

Just waiting now to see how CCP decides to proceed.

I had Destroyers 5 before the announcement. I switched to training Battlecruisers 5 and finished it a few days ago and also picked up Minmatar Crusiers 3 because of the announcement. I have no intention of flying Amarr, so I didn't train anything towards that.

Anyway, I should read the announcement again. I was planning to train Caldari Freighter eventually anyway and it will take approximately 6 days. But it seems that I should start training it now.

Nope. BC and Destroyer skills have nothing to do with each other.

The thing is: apparently, if you can fly it now, you will be able to fly it with the same level of proficiency AFTER the changes.

So, having BCV and all 4 racial Cruiser skills to III means you can fly all BCs in the game at V. So, IN THEORY, when the changes take place, you will receive ALL FOUR BC skills at V.

With Destroyers is the same > having Destroyers at V and racial frigates at IV means you can fly all Destroyers in the game at max. level of competence, so you're supposed to get FOUR different skills at V after the patch.

So, if you train BC V, Destroyers V, all frigates to IV and all cruisers to III, you are supposed to get:

-Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar Destroyer V.
-Ammar/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar Battlecruiser V.

Quite a few million SP for free, as you get three Rank 2 skills to V (around 1.5m SP) and three Rank 6 skills to V (around 4.5 m SP). So, IN THEORY, you could be getting up to six million SP just like that. You cannot redistribute them afterwards, but still a sweet (and fair) deal.

If CCP decides against this, we'd get (at least) the SP from BC V and Destroyer V back, I expect.

So, there's absolutely NOTHING to lose, other than training the racial frigates to IV and the cruisers to III. Which, if you ask me, takes little time and, eventually, most people will think of training.

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Haven't got those skills at V... But I still have time.

Just finished the trains for myself, and we're offering bonuses to corpmates for everyone who hits the relevant milestones in time.

I think most who have the foresight to train BC and dessy V + prereqs will also know to update their clones if the extra SP puts them above their current model. EVEMon for one lets you know if your clone is insufficient.

Even though I qualify I can't see CCP giving us all 4 BC and Destroyer skills sets to V. Its too big a free gift.

So, if you train BC V, Destroyers V, all frigates to IV and all cruisers to III, what you could get:

All Destroyers to IV and a skill point gift of 421,490 to build up one Racial Destroyer to V
All Cruisers to IV (the new pre-requiste for the racial BC skill
All BC to IV and a skill point gift of 1,264,470 to build up one racial BC to V

Only people who can fly more than one racial type of Interdictor or Command Ship will get the skills to V

My 2 isk on the subject, it will interesting to see what they do.

Even though I qualify I can't see CCP giving us all 4 BC and Destroyer skills sets to V. Its too big a free gift.

So, if you train BC V, Destroyers V, all frigates to IV and all cruisers to III, what you could get:

All Destroyers to IV and a skill point gift of 421,490 to build up one Racial Destroyer to V
All Cruisers to IV (the new pre-requiste for the racial BC skill
All BC to IV and a skill point gift of 1,264,470 to build up one racial BC to V

Only people who can fly more than one racial type of Interdictor or Command Ship will get the skills to V

My 2 isk on the subject, it will interesting to see what they do.[/quote]

I doubt CCP does this. I agree that up to 6m SP sounds quite a lot, but please remember that these are skill points WHICH HAVE NO EXTRA USE. I mean, they are given to you for you to fly ships YOU CAN CURRENTLY FLY.

So, it's not really "a gift". It's, merely, leaving your character able to fly as many ships as today.

If your suggestions/guesses were implemented, it would be terribly UNFAIR.

For instance: I can fly a Naga, Talos, Oracle and Tornado with a Lvl V of skill competency. If they DO NOT give me all four racial BCs to five, CCP would force me to train 3 rank 6 skills to level V. Which means what, two months?

CCP should not set me back two months. It's only fair that I will be able to fly the same ships before and after the patch.

And as I said, those 6 million SP would give me ZERO advantages. There's nothing new I will be flying, absolutely nothing else I'll be able to do that I cannot do now.

There are only two reasons for me to train for this:

1)Cosmetic changes. 6m SP more is better than 6m SP less.
2)Eventually I'll fly all subcapitals in the game. If I don't train this now, I'll have to waste months later.

If, post patch, I lose the ability to fly any Battlecruiser in the game with level V, I'll be seriously pissed off.

I think it was also said, that it doesn't make much sense to have racial ship trees for destroyers, since in the new system the skill would only allows you to fly one ship. So it's very likely, that we will get new ships in the destoyer class for all races around the time or soon after these changes are finally implemented. It's just another reason to train the skills up before the change happens, since the new potential destroyers might be very attractive ships to fly even if you don't care for the current ones.

Finished Battlecruisers 5 this morning Did Destroyers 5 just before that.

Working on Warfare Link Specialist 4 for Command Ships now.

I already have all races with Frigate 4 + Cruiser 4 + Battleship 4, with Caldari all to 5. I'm leaning towards Amarr 5 next (or maybe Minmatar 5), but I'd really like to get gunnery skills up a bit first.

I have an alt currently training for a jumpfreighter in case that gets raised to racial freighter 5 (already has racial freighter 4).