These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

GONE FISHING... ALLIANCES
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
ix z'el
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-22 13:28:18 UTC
the greatest imbalance in eve are the alliances. simply put they have too much power. i base this conclusion on the actions of one particular alliance that has the ability to disrupt markets even in hi sec. ive come to the conclusion that alliances must go. that only corporations should be allowed to own claimable space and the number of claimable systems should be limited ie 5-10 systems at the most. by removing alliances from the scene you would open up all of null sec to the biggest land rush in eve history. corporations large and small would all have a chance at owning space. another aspect of this change it would intensify conflict, not reduce it, and that would be good news to all players who like the pvp aspect of eve. the more corps that you can have out in null sec increases the number of opportunities for conflict. one of the greatest reasons i propose this is to open up the mineral wealth of the moons to everyone, not just a select few with the most guns. i would propose with this change that if you dont own a system you cant mine the moons. all the mineral wealth in a system should rightfully belong to the corporations that claims it. this change in itself would go along way to correcting many of the imbalances in eve. these imbalances, mainly the concentration wealth in to few hands is ruining the game for everyone else. no alliance or corporation should be able to manipulate markets at the expense of all the other players. this very fact is one of the reasons why im leaving the game.
Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-04-22 13:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Proteus Maximus
Right because its impossiblefor players to organize coalitions with smaller groups. . . What are you like 12?
I know EvE. 21 years of age to join verified by submittion of valid picture id & thumb print login.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
Mark Androcius
#3 - 2012-04-22 13:53:40 UTC
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Right because its impossiblefor players to organize coalitions with smaller groups. . . What are you like 12?
I know EvE. 21 years of age to join verified by submittion of valid picture id & thumb print login.


Honestly, you're right, but so is he in a way.

It's next to impossible to take arms against the biggest alliances and therefore not worth it.
But at the same time, practically everybody would like to have a piece of null and so the only way to do that, is to join one of these alliances.

If things continue like this, in 5 to 7 years, there will only be 2 or 3 alliances left, with perhaps a few very small ones controlling the space the other 3 deem uninteresting.

I don't know if that's such a good thing.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
seany1212
M Y S T
#4 - 2012-04-22 13:55:46 UTC
ix z'el wrote:
the greatest imbalance in eve are the alliances. simply put they have too much power. i base this conclusion on the actions of one particular alliance that has the ability to disrupt markets even in hi sec. ive come to the conclusion that alliances must go. that only corporations should be allowed to own claimable space and the number of claimable systems should be limited ie 5-10 systems at the most. by removing alliances from the scene you would open up all of null sec to the biggest land rush in eve history. corporations large and small would all have a chance at owning space. another aspect of this change it would intensify conflict, not reduce it, and that would be good news to all players who like the pvp aspect of eve. the more corps that you can have out in null sec increases the number of opportunities for conflict. one of the greatest reasons i propose this is to open up the mineral wealth of the moons to everyone, not just a select few with the most guns. i would propose with this change that if you dont own a system you cant mine the moons. all the mineral wealth in a system should rightfully belong to the corporations that claims it. this change in itself would go along way to correcting many of the imbalances in eve. these imbalances, mainly the concentration wealth in to few hands is ruining the game for everyone else. no alliance or corporation should be able to manipulate markets at the expense of all the other players. this very fact is one of the reasons why im leaving the game.


Thought you'd quit because you got ganked? Roll
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#5 - 2012-04-22 13:59:52 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Right because its impossiblefor players to organize coalitions with smaller groups. . . What are you like 12?
I know EvE. 21 years of age to join verified by submittion of valid picture id & thumb print login.


Honestly, you're right, but so is he in a way.

It's next to impossible to take arms against the biggest alliances and therefore not worth it.
But at the same time, practically everybody would like to have a piece of null and so the only way to do that, is to join one of these alliances.

If things continue like this, in 5 to 7 years, there will only be 2 or 3 alliances left, with perhaps a few very small ones controlling the space the other 3 deem uninteresting.

I don't know if that's such a good thing.


The obvious way to fix this is to fix force projection. I'm sure if it gets bad enough CCP will take a look. Right?
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-04-22 14:18:12 UTC
Before there was official support for alliances in EVE, people just handled them out of game and used their blue lists. CCP saw what the players were doing and added content for the sandbox.

If CCP was stupid enough listen to your suggestion and remove them from the game, we'd simply merge our corps into 1000+ man corps and still get our way. You and your pathetic 7 man corp would still be stuck in hisec carebearing it up.

Oh and there's nothing wrong with force-projection. You just suck at logistics.
Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-04-22 14:20:10 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Right because its impossiblefor players to organize coalitions with smaller groups. . . What are you like 12?
I know EvE. 21 years of age to join verified by submittion of valid picture id & thumb print login.


Honestly, you're right, but so is he in a way.

It's next to impossible to take arms against the biggest alliances and therefore not worth it.
But at the same time, practically everybody would like to have a piece of null and so the only way to do that, is to join one of these alliances.

If things continue like this, in 5 to 7 years, there will only be 2 or 3 alliances left, with perhaps a few very small ones controlling the space the other 3 deem uninteresting.

I don't know if that's such a good thing.


When you say next to impossible you are 100% right. I think the 99% was an attempt at organizing against the powers that be. Don't hear much from them these days. Probably lack of interest, bought off or pets by now if I had to guess.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-04-22 14:38:13 UTC


Quote:
ive come to the conclusion that alliances must go




They say that when you run out of trolling material someone will always provide more.


I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Ghoest
#9 - 2012-04-22 14:43:36 UTC
Proteus Maximus wrote:
What are you like 12?


this

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#10 - 2012-04-22 16:17:47 UTC
foxnod wrote:
Before there was official support for alliances in EVE, people just handled them out of game and used their blue lists. CCP saw what the players were doing and added content for the sandbox.

If CCP was stupid enough listen to your suggestion and remove them from the game, we'd simply merge our corps into 1000+ man corps and still get our way. You and your pathetic 7 man corp would still be stuck in hisec carebearing it up.

Oh and there's nothing wrong with force-projection. You just suck at logistics.

There's already 3000+ man corps, so you mean all 45000 accounts (including the cyno alts etc) in a single corp. That would be hilarious.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2012-04-22 16:21:01 UTC
Proteus Maximus wrote:
When you say next to impossible you are 100% right. I think the 99% was an attempt at organizing against the powers that be. Don't hear much from them these days. Probably lack of interest, bought off or pets by now if I had to guess.

I always thought they were a forums pvp group.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Justice Comes
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-22 16:21:10 UTC
ix z'el wrote:
the greatest imbalance in eve are the alliances. simply put they have too much power. i base this conclusion on the actions of one particular alliance that has the ability to disrupt markets even in hi sec. ive come to the conclusion that alliances must go. that only corporations should be allowed to own claimable space and the number of claimable systems should be limited ie 5-10 systems at the most. by removing alliances from the scene you would open up all of null sec to the biggest land rush in eve history. corporations large and small would all have a chance at owning space. another aspect of this change it would intensify conflict, not reduce it, and that would be good news to all players who like the pvp aspect of eve. the more corps that you can have out in null sec increases the number of opportunities for conflict. one of the greatest reasons i propose this is to open up the mineral wealth of the moons to everyone, not just a select few with the most guns. i would propose with this change that if you dont own a system you cant mine the moons. all the mineral wealth in a system should rightfully belong to the corporations that claims it. this change in itself would go along way to correcting many of the imbalances in eve. these imbalances, mainly the concentration wealth in to few hands is ruining the game for everyone else. no alliance or corporation should be able to manipulate markets at the expense of all the other players. this very fact is one of the reasons why im leaving the game.


That paragraph is totally imbalanced. Simply put, the alliance your letter-keys are in have way too much power over your ENTER key, which is too scared to even show itself anymore.

Most annoying thing of the week: You failed to dock/jump because you are cloaked (in your Deep Space Transport).
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-04-22 16:21:18 UTC
What the OP has said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in his rambling, incoherent posting was he even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#14 - 2012-04-22 16:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
If you wish to force Alliances to concentrate in smaller area's, opening up more unclaimed null then...

1: The cost of upgrading your SOV was a good start, however the player base talked CCP into lowering the price. Owning Sov over more than a few systems needs to scale up quickly in cost.

2: Movement in EVE is currently far too easy. Large Null entities can defend vast tracts of space by moving huge fleets in a matter of minutes. The Cyno/Jump Bridge/Jump Portal system need to either be scrapped or completely reworked, including Cap/Super Cap ships being forced to travel conventionally.

3: The "Highway System" of gate organization needs to go, too many direct routes exist in EVE in all Sec levels of space... which also has the negative effect of devaluing the existence of local trade hubs. Conversely, Null and Low sec could stand more points of entry.

4: Possibly most importantly resources need to be redistributed, not only between the various security levels but also between the different regions (and in some cases even down to the constellation level). Make elements that are necessary to produce items in EVE be split up in availability geographically. This would inspire more conflict, as if you truly want the most efficient way to work a particular revenue stream you then must either take it physically, or engage in market PVP. Interdicting other sources of these materials also gains a much higher significance, even in high and low sec.


If any or all of these steps were taken EVE would feel like a vast universe again, local trade hubs would flourish, Null sec alliances would pull back into area's of space they could actually handle (freeing more real estate), and most importantly there would be significant reason to take or at least interdict other groups space.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Panacani
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-22 16:30:28 UTC
Frankly, the larger the space you 'own', the more difficult it should be to defend it. Quick and easy travel and the relative long time it takes to take over a system are the problem. A big alliance can easily move a few thousand drones into a system to defend it long before a smaller alliance can take it.

If it were quick to take a system, smaller alliances could gang up and peck away at the big guys, making them shoot back and forth across their space defending. Blobs would need to split, active defenses (rather than reactive) would need to be set up, and expansion would be much tougher. The larger the space, the harder it is to defend - the way it should be.

Either that or slow down the ability to move a large fleet around the map and thus reduce conflict.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#16 - 2012-04-22 16:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Ranger 1 wrote:
If you wish to force Alliances to concentrate in smaller area's, opening up more unclaimed null then...

1: The cost of upgrading your SOV was a good start, however the player base talked CCP into lowering the price. Owning Sov over more than a few systems needs to scale up quickly in cost.

We would definitely have to break down the sov holding into many smaller "sov holding alliances", Goonswarm Federation1, Goonswarm Federation 2, etc etc. Holding alliances is definitely a novel concept though.

Managing all the tech moon POSes and jumpbridges would be definitely more annoying though..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-04-22 16:59:53 UTC
Proteus Maximus wrote:
Right because its impossiblefor players to organize coalitions with smaller groups. . . What are you like 12?
I know EvE. 21 years of age to join verified by submittion of valid picture id & thumb print login.


How dare you sully the name Proteus with such terrible posting. I know that many of the most mature members of the community I've met are below 21. On the other hand, some of the biggest 'tards I've ever seen on this game have been over 21.

Dodixie > Hek
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-04-22 17:02:51 UTC
ix z'el wrote:
the greatest imbalance in eve are the alliances. simply put they have too much power. i base this conclusion on the actions of one particular alliance that has the ability to disrupt markets even in hi sec. ive come to the conclusion that alliances must go. that only corporations should be allowed to own claimable space and the number of claimable systems should be limited ie 5-10 systems at the most. by removing alliances from the scene you would open up all of null sec to the biggest land rush in eve history. corporations large and small would all have a chance at owning space. another aspect of this change it would intensify conflict, not reduce it, and that would be good news to all players who like the pvp aspect of eve. the more corps that you can have out in null sec increases the number of opportunities for conflict. one of the greatest reasons i propose this is to open up the mineral wealth of the moons to everyone, not just a select few with the most guns. i would propose with this change that if you dont own a system you cant mine the moons. all the mineral wealth in a system should rightfully belong to the corporations that claims it. this change in itself would go along way to correcting many of the imbalances in eve. these imbalances, mainly the concentration wealth in to few hands is ruining the game for everyone else. no alliance or corporation should be able to manipulate markets at the expense of all the other players. this very fact is one of the reasons why im leaving the game.


What is this square of letters? Word puzzle?

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#19 - 2012-04-22 17:29:42 UTC
Posting in a terribad thread...Big smile

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#20 - 2012-04-22 17:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Klandi
Lesson time ...

f - lower case character used in a word in a sentence.. F - Used on the first word at the start of a sentence

This space ^ is used to break up sentences into (are you grasping this) PARAGRAPHS!!!


' is an apostrophe - usually used in word like aren't and I've ....

See?

Use all the above to prevent eye bleed and get people to READ what you've written

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
12Next page